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Jes Beard

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« Reply #15255 on: August 19, 2018, 11:51:30 am »
Right because getting a clearance takes just 10 mins or so.

If the president, ANY president, decided it is needed, it takes no longer than is required for him to say that.... so I would guess less than 30 seconds, and that grant could easily be limited to no more than absolutely necessary to get meaningful advice from the person.  As I have indicated, it is close to incomprehensible that in the case of Brennan such a situation could ever arise so long as Trump is president.

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« Reply #15256 on: August 19, 2018, 11:58:37 am »
The FBI cut off ties with Steele Nov 1, 2016.

What is still surprising to me is that it appears so far that there appears to have been so remarkably little real effort to get Steele's story in all of this.  It doesn't appear any of the major media outlets, including Fox or any of the major conservative radio commentators have made an serious effort, nor any major effort by Congress, or Mueller.  Perhaps there has been and it has even been reported and I am just not following this closely enough, but it really seems that no one actually wants to do anything more than use the entire issue as something to rally their respective base.


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« Reply #15258 on: August 19, 2018, 01:47:52 pm »
I'm really not attacking you here, because you are simply repeating what has elsewhere been reported, but what in the world does "cut off ties" with Steele even mean here?  Does it mean they were no longer paying him?  Does it mean no one in the FBI would any longer even take his calls and blocked him email messages and never sent him any messages and heard nothing further from or about him from anyone else and that they crossed the street to stay away from him if they saw him?

The idea that they no longer had any connection with him at all, which seems to be what "cut off ties" would suggest, is really just not credible.  If the FBI was still getting info from Steele thru Ohr, who was himself part of the upper level inner circle of FBI leadership, then the FBI unquestionably still had ties with him.


Before this is over, which should be well before the 2020 election, all of this will come out in the wash and such questions will be answered.  If it has not come out any other way by then, I would expect Trump to directly order the release of all of it by the summer of 2020, with nothing redacted.


Bruce Ohr does not nor did he ever work for the FBI.  He works for the Department of Justice.  Fusion GPS wanted the same information flowing to the FBI from as many different sources as possible to make it look credible.  However it ALL originated from Steele.  We know that Steele was concerned after Comey was fired if Ohr would still be able to feed information to the FBI. Ohr assured him he could.


If you actually want to know what happened in one source you can get it here.

https://www.amazon.com/Russia-Hoax-Illicit-Hillary-Clinton/dp/0062872745/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1534704077&sr=8-1&keywords=greg+jarrett+book

Sarah Carter is another good source of information as she has been reporting on this for a long time as well.

https://saraacarter.com/


https://saraacarter.com/breaking-bruce-ohr-texts-emails-reveal-steeles-deep-ties-to-obama-doj-fbi/
 
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« Reply #15259 on: August 19, 2018, 01:54:01 pm »
It really isn't all that complicated.

Some of the higher ups at the FBI knew the information was from Steele and they knew it was unverifiable or in others words not true.  Yet they used it to get a FISA warrant to spy on the Trump campaign and then even renewed it while Trump was the sitting President.  Rosenstein signed off on the renewal.


https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/fisa-warrant-application-supports-nunes-memo


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« Reply #15260 on: August 19, 2018, 02:33:02 pm »
That Time When Mueller Offered Immunity to a Child Molester

You really have to hand it to liberals. Once they latch onto an insane conspiracy theory, they will never let it go, no matter how much factual evidence you put in front of their faces. Whether you’re talking about global warming, Darwin’s theory of evolution or Russian collusion, or the ideas that slavery is good for the economy and socialism will work next time, the Democrats are true believers. Their faith is unshakeable!

The obvious danger in this is that Democrats are emotionally and mentally no different than small children who believe in Santa Claus, and therefore should be kept as far away from the reins of power as possible. The Russian collusion witch hunt, which now feels like it has been going on since the Catholic church started sending out actual witch hunters across Europe in the 15th century, is only the latest fairy tale that liberals can never, ever be dissuaded from believing. Evidence will be uncovered any day now!

There has been a near-total blackout in the American media of the fact that Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s witch hunt against the president completely fell apart back in April of 2018. Mueller’s star witness in the Russian collusion case fled the country that month after he was publicly outed as a convicted pederast who had done jail time for raping numerous 10-year-old boys and possessing child ****. If this sounds vaguely familiar to you, it means you either read British newspapers on occasion or you listen to Infowars – because those are the only media outlets that granted the story any major coverage.

Here’s how Mueller had planned to stitch together the Russian collusion case before it all fell apart. When Erik Prince, the founder of Blackwater, testified before Congress last year, he stated that he had a chance encounter with a Russian financier while he was in Seychelles to discuss a business deal with some United Arab Emirates (UAE) officials. Prince testified that he was having a beer when he was introduced to a Russian wealth fund CEO named Kirill Dmitriev.

Stop snoring, everyone! This is important stuff.

It’s also important to note that this first-time and only meeting between Prince and Dmitriev happened after the election in 2016 (so if it was “collusion” of some sort, it had nothing to do with Crooked Hillary being rejected by the American voters).

Fast forward to 2018 when a Lebanese-American businessman named George Nader, who introduced Prince to Dmitriev in Seychelles, flew back to America from one of his numerous business trips overseas. Mueller’s investigators scooped Nader up at the airport, seized his electronic devices and offered him immunity if he’d agree to testify against Erik Prince.

Immunity for what? We’ll get to that in a moment.

Nader proceeded to submit to seven interviews with Mueller’s witch hunters, claiming that he had set the meeting up between Prince and Dmitriev ahead of time and Prince knew all about it. According to Nader, the meeting wasn’t a chance encounter at all – and therefore, Mueller had nailed Eric Prince on one count of perjury!

Don’t you get it? Erik Prince is the brother of President Trump’s Secretary of Education, Betsy DeVos. It’s right there! Russian collusion! A wealthy American businessman who is related to a Trump cabinet member had a meeting with a wealthy Russian businessman, so it’s Russian collusion that Trump knew all about! Guilty as charged!

What? Why is everyone laughing?

Come to think of it, it does sort of sound like the only thing Mueller had was a possible perjury charge against someone tangentially connected to the Trump administration. And that’s about it for a $20 million investigation.

Here’s the kicker to the story. During the whole time when the mainstream media was reporting that Mueller had a star witness – George Nader – who was going to be the undoing of President Trump and impeachment is coming HALLELUJAH!  – No one at any news organization bothered to look into George Nader’s background.

As reported by the Daily Mail in London and on Infowars (original credit goes to independent journalist and filmmaker Mike Cernovich), George Nader has been convicted on charges of child **** and raping 10-year-old boys in the United States and the Czech Republic. Now we can guess why Mueller granted Nader immunity after he seized his electronic devices.

When he was publicly revealed to be a ****, Mueller’s star witness hopped on a plane and fled the country. Nader is now believed to be hiding out in the UAE.

There you have it, ladies and gentlemen! The closest Robert Mueller has come to “proving” Russian collusion was based on the word of a foreign-born **** who was possibly trying to keep himself out of jail for additional crimes against children. Nader is not exactly what they like to refer to as a “reliable witness” in the criminal justice system.

And even if Nader had not fled the country, the best that he could offer to the entire investigation was a possible perjury charge against a guy who is related to a member of Trump’s cabinet. Despite Mueller’s witch hunt looking more and more like a circus act every day, liberals absolutely believe in their hearts that the whole “Russian collusion” thing happened.

They toss out the word “treason” on a daily basis – when they’re not tossing out the words “racist” or “white nationalist” to describe President Trump and his supporters. For a political party that assured us that Alex Jones should be taken off the internet because he talks about conspiracy theories, the Democrats sure do like to cling to their own crackpot ideas. Up next on CNN – How Vladimir Putin controls the NRA!

Everyone from Robert Mueller to the equally credible Buzzfeed has been trying to pin Russian collusion – which isn’t even a crime described in US federal statutes – on the President of the United States. This shouldn’t surprise us. The global warming apocalypse that Democrats have been prophesying about for 30 years still hasn’t happened. But now that it’s hot outside once again (this being August), here they come with their hockey stick graphs and their sanctimonious condemnation of cow farts and light bulbs.

Nothing will ever convince them that “Russian collusion” didn’t take place. Our best bet at this point is just to keep them out of power in November, so they won’t be able to do any further damage to America.

https://www.americanlibertyreport.com/articles/that-time-when-mueller-offered-immunity-to-a-child-molester/

Man how desperate is Mueller?  And I thought Rick Gates was desperate.

Thats some hilarious stuff there, not that any liberal would think that way.
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« Reply #15261 on: August 19, 2018, 06:48:43 pm »
(Zero Hedge) – The FBI has been dealt a major blow after a Washington DC judge ruled that the agency must respond to a FOIA request for documents concerning the bureau’s efforts to verify the controversial Steele Dossier, before it was used as the foundation of a FISA surveillance warrant application and subsequent renewals.

US District Court Judge Amit Mehta – who in January sided with the FBI’s decision to ignore the FOIA request, said that President Trump’s release of two House Intelligence Committee documents (the “Nunes” and “Schiff” memos) changed everything.

Considering that the FBI offered Steele $50,000 to verify the Dossier’s claims yet never paid him, BuzzFeed has unsuccessfully tried to do the same to defend themselves in a dossier-related lawsuit, and a $50 million Soros-funded investigation to continue the hunt have turned up nothing that we know of – whatever documents the FBI may be forced to cough up regarding their attempts to verify the Dossier could prove highly embarrassing for the agency.

f Mr. Steele could get solid corroboration of his reports, the F.B.I. would pay him $50,000 for his efforts, according to two people familiar with the offer. Ultimately, he was not paid. -NYT

What’s more, forcing the FBI to prove they had an empty hand will likely embolden calls to disband the special counsel investigation – as the agency’s mercenary and politicized approach to “investigations” will be laid all the more bare for the world to see. Then again, who knows – maybe the FBI verified everything in the dossier and it simply hasn’t leaked.

That said, while the FBI will likely be forced to acknowledge the documents thanks to the Thursday ruling, the agency will still be able to try and convince the judge that there are other grounds to withhold the records.

In January, Mehta blessed the FBI’s decision not to disclose the existence of any records containing the agency’s efforts to verify the dossier – ruling that Trump’s tweets about the dossier didn’t require the FBI and other intelligence agencies to act on records requests.

“But then the ground shifted,” writes Mehta of Trump declassifying the House memos. “As a result of the Nunes and Schiff Memos, there is now in the public domain meaningful information about how the FBI acquired the Dossier and how the agency used it to investigate Russian meddling.”

The DOJ also sought to distinguish between the Steele Dossier and a synopsis of the dossier presented to both Trump and then-President Obama in 2016, however Mehta rejected the attempt, writing “That position defies logic,” while also rejecting the government’s refusal to even say if the FBI has a copy of that synopsis.

“It remains no longer logical nor plausible for the FBI to maintain that it cannot confirm nor deny the existence of documents,” Mehta wrote.

    It is simply not plausible to believe that, to whatever extent the FBI has made efforts to verify Steele’s reporting, some portion of that work has not been devoted to allegations that made their way into the synopsis. After all, if the reporting was important enough to brief the President-elect, then surely the FBI thought enough of those key charges to attempt to verify their accuracy. It will be up to the FBI to determine which of the records in its possession relating to the reliability of the Dossier concerns Steele’s reporting as discussed in the synopsis.

“This ruling represents another incremental step in revealing just how much the FBI has been able to verify or discredit the rather personal allegations contained in that synopsis derived from the Steele dossier,” said Brad Moss, a lawyer pressing the lawsuit for the pro-transparency group, the James Madison Project. “It will be rather ironic if the president’s peripheral actions that resulted in this ruling wind up disclosing that the FBI has been able to corroborate any of the ‘salacious’ allegations.”

In other words, the FBI must show what they did to verify the claims contained within the Nunes and Schiff memos.

Because the case was heard on appeal, the ruling will not take immediate effect, notes Politico, which adds that the appeals court is now likely to remand the case to Mehta, while the FBI is going to try and convince him the records should remain unreleased.

zerohedge.com/news/2018-08-18/fbi-dealt-blow-dc-judge-must-address-measures-taken-verify-steele-dossier



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chifaninva

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« Reply #15262 on: August 19, 2018, 07:09:41 pm »
Once again I stand with Rand....

I agree!
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« Reply #15263 on: August 19, 2018, 10:39:23 pm »

Bruce Ohr does not nor did he ever work for the FBI.  He works for the Department of Justice. 

Thanks for the correction and clarification, as well as the links, though at the moment I will be content to wait for it all to get sorted out.

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« Reply #15264 on: August 20, 2018, 10:25:55 pm »
Soros funded plan to silence conservative voices in social media.....
https://www.wnd.com/2018/08/mask-off-social-media-censor-king-revealed/


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« Reply #15265 on: August 21, 2018, 05:23:03 pm »
https://blackeyepolitics.com/democrats-colluded-with-russia/

We know that is true. Now we know exactly what Russians they colluded with.

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« Reply #15266 on: August 21, 2018, 05:26:41 pm »

Bruce Ohr does not nor did he ever work for the FBI.  He works for the Department of Justice.

Thats why congressional Republicans  havent been able to get documents out of the Justice Department. DUH!

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« Reply #15267 on: August 21, 2018, 05:27:31 pm »
Oooooooooooooo


Big bad George in the house!


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« Reply #15268 on: August 21, 2018, 05:38:15 pm »
https://truedaily.news/2018/08/21/illegal-alien-arrested-for-missing-iowa-girl-murder/

We need to get that border wall completed. If this story is correct, this clown needs to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law and not deported, unless in a casket.

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