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WshflThinking

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« Reply #12300 on: October 11, 2017, 05:44:21 pm »
Haha! I think its more like you are the reason the Russians are winning.

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« Reply #12301 on: October 11, 2017, 06:05:48 pm »
What are the Russians winning at exactly?

What does not accepting everything the government says with blind faith when there is evidence to the contrary have to do with it?
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Jes Beard

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« Reply #12302 on: October 11, 2017, 06:11:20 pm »
Nobody is saying these guys are smart. But just follow the money. its obvious both soros and MGM have something to gain here.

Yes, obvious.

Soros and the MGM exec are both so f'n stupid they clearly would do things making their involvement obvious.

Clearly the case.

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« Reply #12304 on: October 11, 2017, 06:13:45 pm »
Yes, obvious.

Soros and the MGM exec are both so f'n stupid they clearly would do things making their involvement obvious.

Clearly the case.

Sarcasm is really not appreciated on this board is it?

Jes Beard

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« Reply #12305 on: October 11, 2017, 06:14:37 pm »
I'm not going to go back to check, but didn't Pekin say that there was evidence that the guard was NOT shot at 200 times, there only being a small number of holes in the door and the walls?  If that report was false, it doesn't make much sense to use it as proof of something.

Are you actually expecting consistency from someone pushing a conspiracy theory?

Jes Beard

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« Reply #12306 on: October 11, 2017, 06:23:37 pm »
If you want conspiracy theories go look them up on the internet, there are a bunch of them.

Why should we LOOK for them?

Aren't you giving us more than enough?

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« Reply #12307 on: October 11, 2017, 06:28:56 pm »
Paddock, the DA insider said, was firing rounds from approximately 400 yards away from the concert from the 32nd floor on Mandalay Bay. The law enforcement source said investigators turned over proof to the FBI that a second shooter was firing from inside a perimeter of approximately 215 yards.

Forensic science is continually improving, but when I was still trying cases, I had more than one forensics expert testify under oath that the kind of distinction you are talking about simply could not be determined.  Distinguishing between a shot fired within five feet or so an 15 feet or more, no problem.  Distinguishing between 215 yards and 400 yards, couldn't be done.

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« Reply #12308 on: October 11, 2017, 06:37:32 pm »
The problem you have here is that the known distance of 400 yards to the Mandalay Bay is accurate to the sound of the rounds hitting the ground per the forensic analysis done by the individual on the video Peke posted. So if that were correct, one could assume that the other would be as well-the 215 yard range. The individual that beforehand said 'you're all surrounded and are going to die today' right before the shooting is also a highly unlikely 'coincidence'. Yes, you had someone say that before at a concert you were at etc etc, but there was nothing following that that also confirmed what the individual said. Personally, I've been to several concerts and never once have heard anything of the sort mentioned. It's not a common occurrence to be told 'hi, you're all dying today!'.

Jes Beard

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« Reply #12309 on: October 11, 2017, 07:00:42 pm »
The problem you have here is that the known distance of 400 yards to the Mandalay Bay is accurate to the sound of the rounds hitting the ground per the forensic analysis done by the individual on the video Peke posted. So if that were correct, one could assume that the other would be as well-the 215 yard range. The individual that beforehand said 'you're all surrounded and are going to die today' right before the shooting is also a highly unlikely 'coincidence'. Yes, you had someone say that before at a concert you were at etc etc, but there was nothing following that that also confirmed what the individual said. Personally, I've been to several concerts and never once have heard anything of the sort mentioned. It's not a common occurrence to be told 'hi, you're all dying today!'.

There were how many people there at the concert?  Are you suggesting that this mythical person told ALL of them, "hi, you're all dying today!"?  And are you really confident that the concert goer(s) who claim they heard got it right?

And now, assuming that someone actually did hear it, and that they heard and have reported it accurately, AND that the reports of what they heard and reported have been accurate..... such a comment would only be meaningful if the person saying it actually knew something about what was coming.

And please forgive my laughter if you can hear it where you are, because I am laughing pretty loudly at this, if the person actually knew something about what was coming, that would mean that not only was there a conspiracy, but that one of the conspirators, in a plot which would carry the death sentence for anyone involved, was wandering around mentioning things in advance to absolute strangers and running the risk of causing everything to fall apart at the last minute.

Ooooooh, yeah, that one sure sounds convincing to me.

You are much less likely talking about a "highly unlikely coincidence" than you are talking about a wild nutjob fantasy.

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« Reply #12310 on: October 11, 2017, 07:20:16 pm »
It was reported on the news, if you hadn't seen it, so this wasn't just heresay. Someone actually AT the incident reported it and the individual who said it was removed from the concert, so I'm sure that info can be verified with those who removed the individuals. The problem here is with individuals such as yourself that simply readily accept any info given about the incident as fact from authorities. As I've said clearly before, I am not a conspiracy type individual. I am simply going off of what is being sent out by the media and it is clearly available if you want to see it. There are multiple accounts of this being given by authorities. Is there a motive for it? Who knows. Could there be a cover up? Sure as hell there could be. Why? To protect a narrative, to keep the public from panicking, there are any number of motives. But go ahead and blindly accept the 'facts' as they're given. I've seen enough to make me highly skeptical of what is being put out....

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« Reply #12311 on: October 11, 2017, 07:21:43 pm »
Early in my career I remember an investigation where I was told someone had said they had seen a certain person at a certain place and time.  If I could nail that down it would carry a lot of weight.
I spent 3 days trying to find who said it to who, since the person who gave me the information could not remember which other person told him.  I had to conclude no one actually saw anything, since everyone at the location claimed they didn't see the person or tell anyone about it.
No one had anything to gain by lying about it; I just learned it's a phenomena that frequently happens.
People tell me they saw this and that and I often later find out they were just wrong.  They weren't lying they saw something and mislabeled  it in their mind


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« Reply #12313 on: October 11, 2017, 07:44:24 pm »
It was reported on the news, if you hadn't seen it, so this wasn't just heresay. Someone actually AT the incident reported it and the individual who said it was removed from the concert, so I'm sure that info can be verified with those who removed the individuals. The problem here is with individuals such as yourself that simply readily accept any info given about the incident as fact from authorities. As I've said clearly before, I am not a conspiracy type individual. I am simply going off of what is being sent out by the media and it is clearly available if you want to see it. There are multiple accounts of this being given by authorities. Is there a motive for it? Who knows. Could there be a cover up? Sure as hell there could be. Why? To protect a narrative, to keep the public from panicking, there are any number of motives. But go ahead and blindly accept the 'facts' as they're given. I've seen enough to make me highly skeptical of what is being put out....

I would never claim it was not reported.

I would not even waste time arguing whether someone in fact told something like that to a reporter.

I have merely disputed whether it in fact DID happen, and, if it did, if it is meaningful.

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« Reply #12314 on: October 12, 2017, 04:24:01 pm »
I'm wondering where all the executive order whores are today with the president's executive order overreach on the PPACA law...



Probably removing a brown skid from the BVDs.