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CUBluejays

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« Reply #25455 on: March 29, 2020, 09:07:27 am »
How many Covid 19 patients have you treated good doctor?

More than you.

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« Reply #25456 on: March 29, 2020, 09:31:43 am »
No, things aren’t normal at all but your read on the reason is not correct.  This is not a conspiracy to take down trump.  As for the numbers, you clearly don’t understand how rates of growth work and how small numbers can suddenly become very large.  The maddening thing about this will be, if the separation continues and the numbers are able to be suppressed, it will just be more fuel for your conspiracies.

Understand, people like yourself fuel these conspiratorial concepts. The negativity wreaks from your every post. Although, it seems as if you've toned it down a bit. You made a statement that you have the right to criticize the President, and I agreed. But understand that words and statements have consequences, negative or positive. Not many are happy right now, I'm not. But to lay all the blame on Trump is more than ridiculous.

I am doing my part by washing my hands and keeping a reasonable distance from other people. I have a crew coming in on a job tomorrow, if you know anything about construction, it's hard to maintain social distancing. Until the governor shuts it down, I have little choice but to carry on. I am in a wait and see mode. I'll do my part, but I guess we'll see how this turns out. With that said, I'm not buying the "we're going to war", or whatever the conspiracy is.. I still think we're in a panic mode created by the media...
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« Reply #25457 on: March 29, 2020, 09:40:13 am »
Understand, people like yourself fuel these conspiratorial concepts. The negativity wreaks from your every post. Although, it seems as if you've toned it down a bit. You made a statement that you have the right to criticize the President, and I agreed. But understand that words and statements have consequences, negative or positive. Not many are happy right now, I'm not. But to lay all the blame on Trump is more than ridiculous.

I am doing my part by washing my hands and keeping a reasonable distance from other people. I have a crew coming in on a job tomorrow, if you know anything about construction, it's hard to maintain social distancing. Until the governor shuts it down, I have little choice but to carry on. I am in a wait and see mode. I'll do my part, but I guess we'll see how this turns out. With that said, I'm not buying the "we're going to war", or whatever the conspiracy is.. I still think we're in a panic mode created by the media...

How am I fueling any conspiracies?  it is a fact that this is a dangerous illness, it is a fact that it is spreading very quickly, and it is a fact that the spread is pushing health systems all around the world to the brink.  In the US, it is also a fact that the Trump admin was warned about all of this months ago an chose to ignore which has significantly exacerbated the problem in this country. None of these are conspiracies but facts that are provided by genuine experts.  This is not a media created issue but reality.  One way or another, you will be forced to deal with it.
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« Reply #25458 on: March 29, 2020, 10:09:43 am »
Here’s an example of how trump is responsible for the mess we have today.

HHS asked for $2B to stock up for equipment they knew they were going to need. Trump gave them $500M. This was in early Feb when Trump was insisting this was not going to be an issue in the US.  People inside his admin knew that was not true but trump thought was 15 cases going to zero so why bother getting ready?  This is what happened and it’s now a disaster.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/desperate-for-medical-equipment-states-encounter-a-beleaguered-national-stockpile/2020/03/28/1f4f9a0a-6f82-11ea-aa80-c2470c6b2034_story.html

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Jack Birdbath

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« Reply #25459 on: March 29, 2020, 10:31:38 am »
It’s all a conspiracy, right?

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« Reply #25460 on: March 29, 2020, 11:01:49 am »
Bill de Blasio deserves most of the blame for the current situation in NYC. He was telling people to go about their lives on March 13. This is 1 week after schools were closed in Omaha and social distancing was put into place.

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« Reply #25461 on: March 29, 2020, 11:19:07 am »
Bill de Blasio deserves most of the blame for the current situation in NYC. He was telling people to go about their lives on March 13. This is 1 week after schools were closed in Omaha and social distancing was put into place.


Thank You! I posted a link to the video yesterday of de Blasio making that statement and not a peep from cletus. Nothing.. It's all Trumps fault. Then he wonders why people are reacting the way they are..

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« Reply #25462 on: March 29, 2020, 11:21:29 am »
Bill de Blasio deserves most of the blame for the current situation in NYC. He was telling people to go about their lives on March 13. This is 1 week after schools were closed in Omaha and social distancing was put into place.

That is true.  There have been some terrible responses at the local level. But, I believe that a better coordinated, earlier, and more forceful response from the federal government would have made it a lot less likely that places like NYC and FL would have been so late and irresponsible.
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« Reply #25463 on: March 29, 2020, 11:29:22 am »
That is true.  There have been some terrible responses at the local level. But, I believe that a better coordinated, earlier, and more forceful response from the federal government would have made it a lot less likely that places like NYC and FL would have been so late and irresponsible.

Of course you would..

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« Reply #25464 on: March 29, 2020, 11:35:09 am »
Of course you would..

If you don’t think people would respond to strong central leadership right now, I don’t think you understand how people work.  Look at trumps approval rating. He’s completely botched this and goes on tv everyday with an hour of incoherent lies and ramblings yet people approve of him at a greater rate than ever. I assure you it’s not because he’s doing anything right but it’s because of our natural instinct to rally around a leader, even an ineffective one, in a time of crisis.  There is no doubt that a real leader with an actual plan a couple months ago could have significantly changed behavior all across the country. But, instead we have this idiot and this is now the epicenter of the pandemic.
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« Reply #25465 on: March 29, 2020, 11:49:36 am »
 But, I believe that a better coordinated, earlier, and more forceful response from the federal government would have made it a lot less likely that places like NYC and FL would have been so late and irresponsible.


you keep saying this but offer no evidence it's true.
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« Reply #25466 on: March 29, 2020, 12:07:28 pm »
Jack, you never mention the fact that Trump restricted flights from China back in January. After he did, out came the song birds with the usual.. "This is no time for xenophobia". Turns out it was the right thing to do..
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« Reply #25467 on: March 29, 2020, 12:39:49 pm »
Jack, you never mention the fact that Trump restricted flights from China back in January. After he did, out came the song birds with the usual.. "This is no time for xenophobia". Turns out it was the right thing to do..

The virus had already spread beyond China and into the US (among others) so this was a typically useless gesture by trump.
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« Reply #25468 on: March 29, 2020, 02:03:43 pm »
The fact is the death rate for Covid 19 is less then 1% in the US.  That is a fact you can't change with all the fear mongering in the world.

I am all for washing your hands often and social distancing.  I hate close talkers.   Virus or no virus they need to stay the F out of my bubble of personal space. 

I am not for shutting down the economy and creating panic in people.  I am not for the MSM and the Democrats using it as a political weapon and a means to destroy the economy on the hopes it can get Biden elected.

Joe Biden will never be President.  So it is a wasted effort anyway but real damage is being done to peoples lives.

As businesses fail and people go bankrupt suicides will soar.  People who were already depressed are going to be pushed over the edge by this.  Calls to suicide prevention hotlines have risen 300%.
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« Reply #25469 on: March 29, 2020, 02:05:28 pm »
Why do you know more than this guy?  Why is it that you always know more than the experts?

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