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Tuffy

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« Reply #15570 on: September 16, 2020, 07:43:22 pm »
It looks like May should get a hold, though; he pitched 5 1/3 innings with the lead and his team still had the lead when he came out.

If he had been able to stay in the game and finish it, he would have gotten a 7-inning save.

This kind of thing happened with Bumgarner pitching for the Giants in the postseason a few years ago.  The starter comes out early, a reliever comes in and his team takes the lead, then as the third pitcher he works multiple innings and can get a "save". Years ago, I had never imagined this kind of situation and wrongly believed that the longest possible save situation was 4 innings (with the starter pitching the first 5).  But it's actually possible to have an 8-inning save.

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« Reply #15571 on: September 16, 2020, 08:09:41 pm »
Is there not a scorer’s discretion clause to the rule? That’s kinda where I was going with it...

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« Reply #15572 on: September 16, 2020, 08:15:04 pm »
Looks like LeMahieu's season last year was no fluke. He's raking. I don't think that Ian Stewart trade has panned out.
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Dave23

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« Reply #15573 on: September 17, 2020, 09:33:38 am »
9.17 pretty clearly states that the scorer can assign the W to the most effective relief pitcher.

I'm not sure anyone can make the argument that Kolarek was more effective than May.


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« Reply #15574 on: September 17, 2020, 01:07:36 pm »
Bleacher Nation  @BleacherNation  26m
The list of the top relievers in baseball by strikeout rate since August 7 sure is fun.

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« Reply #15575 on: September 17, 2020, 01:37:24 pm »
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8-5, 10 Saves (T-4), 11.05 K/9 (2) , 4.23 BB/9 (17), 0.96 HR/9 (3), 3.34 ERA (3), 3.61 FIP (2), 3.67  xFIP (1)

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« Reply #15576 on: September 17, 2020, 02:22:42 pm »
9.17 pretty clearly states that the scorer can assign the W to the most effective relief pitcher.

I'm not sure anyone can make the argument that Kolarek was more effective than May.

Think you’re referring to 9.17(b). But, that section doesn’t apply here.

9.17 (b) would apply if SP completes bottom of the 2nd and his team takes the lead in top of the 3rd and never relinquishes lead. Then, most effective reliever gets the win because SP didn’t go 5.

Here, reliever Kolarek (and not the SP) completed the 2nd and his team took the lead in top of the third. That makes Kolarek the pitcher of record under Rule 9.17 (a). Doesn’t matter which reliever is most effective.

There is a proviso exception to 9.17 (a) that refers to Rule 9.17 (c): a reliever who is “ineffective” in a brief appearance (even if he is pitcher of record under 9.17(a). Comment to 9.17 c) says generally applies if reliever allows 2 or more runs to score—can be deemed “ineffective” if official scorer so chooses.

But proviso doesn’t apply here as only 1 run scored in the Kolarek inning. Therefore, Kolarek has to get the win under 9.17 (a).

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« Reply #15577 on: September 17, 2020, 04:11:54 pm »
Never seen this before.

In today’s Twins/White Sox game, Josh Donaldson managed to get ejected on his home run trot as he crossed home plate!

Actually, rather than stepping on the plate, Donaldson dragged dirt all over the plate with his foot—apparently to notify the plate umpire that he still didn’t appreciate a very bad out-of-the-zone strike call earlier against Donaldson.

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« Reply #15578 on: September 17, 2020, 04:51:57 pm »
Think you’re referring to 9.17(b). But, that section doesn’t apply here.

9.17 (b) would apply if SP completes bottom of the 2nd and his team takes the lead in top of the 3rd and never relinquishes lead. Then, most effective reliever gets the win because SP didn’t go 5.

Here, reliever Kolarek (and not the SP) completed the 2nd and his team took the lead in top of the third. That makes Kolarek the pitcher of record under Rule 9.17 (a). Doesn’t matter which reliever is most effective.


There is a proviso exception to 9.17 (a) that refers to Rule 9.17 (c): a reliever who is “ineffective” in a brief appearance (even if he is pitcher of record under 9.17(a). Comment to 9.17 c) says generally applies if reliever allows 2 or more runs to score—can be deemed “ineffective” if official scorer so chooses.

But proviso doesn’t apply here as only 1 run scored in the Kolarek inning. Therefore, Kolarek has to get the win under 9.17 (a).

That's the part I was missing...thanks...

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Re: Around Baseball
« Reply #15579 on: September 17, 2020, 05:02:07 pm »
Rule 9.17(d) The official scored may credit a relief pitcher the win if it screws Dave Fleming out of fantasy points.

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« Reply #15580 on: September 17, 2020, 05:05:20 pm »
I admit to having him in my high-stakes rotisserie league...

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Re: Around Baseball
« Reply #15581 on: September 17, 2020, 05:05:58 pm »
Is the official scorer in that league?

Tuffy

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« Reply #15582 on: September 17, 2020, 07:08:04 pm »
Rule 9.17 is fine regarding Kolarek getting the win, but why doesn't May get a hold?  He came in with the lead, it was technically a save situation, and his team still had the lead when he came out. And the reliever who followed him (who pitched many fewer innings) got a hold.

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« Reply #15583 on: September 17, 2020, 07:14:52 pm »
I believe he did get a hold

Chris27

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« Reply #15584 on: September 17, 2020, 08:20:47 pm »
The Yankees are threatening to hit 6 homers for the third straight game. Don't know if that's ever happened.