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brjones

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« Reply #16110 on: November 24, 2020, 10:56:48 am »
The Braves seem to have decided there is value in jumping on free agency early, even if it might cost them a little more in the end. Two years ago, they signed Donaldson in late November. Last year, they signed Will Smith before the QO deadline, d'Arnaud in late November, and Hamels in early December.

This year, they've already added Smyly and Morton. The only other significant free agent moves so far have been Robbie Ray re-signing with Toronto and Stroman/Gausman accepting their qualifying offers.
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« Reply #16111 on: November 24, 2020, 11:28:17 am »
I like the approach of getting some decisions finalized early, br.  Makes the rest of your offseason easier to plan and focus, if you finalize some decisions.  Every move is always contingent on others. 

Obviously you need the financial capital to make it work, and for guys to accept. 

I admit I'm not sure I'd be too fired up for Smyly, myself; so maybe over-market early for so-so guys isn't really all that smart?  Given that every team lost money last year, and most will lost more this year, I can see why Smyly and Morton jumped on those offers early.  Not sure those are going to prove out as good dollars-per-value deals for the Braves.   

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« Reply #16112 on: November 24, 2020, 11:32:27 am »
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Charlie Morton is the best. On a 1yr deal, great. But a 5yr low in velo, even if he got a lot of it back in October, combined w/ shoulder stuff… combined w/ Smyly’s up & down career… possible regression from Soroka, Anderson, Fried… so many possible outcomes for Braves staff.

Quote from: craig on November 24, 2020, 11:28:17 am
I like the approach of getting some decisions finalized early, br.  Makes the rest of your offseason easier to plan and focus, if you finalize some decisions.  Every move is always contingent on others. 

Obviously you need the financial capital to make it work, and for guys to accept. 

I admit I'm not sure I'd be too fired up for Smyly, myself; so maybe over-market early for so-so guys isn't really all that smart?  Given that every team lost money last year, and most will lost more this year, I can see why Smyly and Morton jumped on those offers early.  Not sure those are going to prove out as good dollars-per-value deals for the Braves.   



I'm not sure the are targeting the right people to be aggressive on, but I guess at least they are doing something.

With the deals they have Acuna/Albies signed to dollar/value shouldn't be an issue for them, especially because they are 1 year deals.  They don't give the Rays a trophy at the end of the year for being the best at spending money either.
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craig

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« Reply #16113 on: November 24, 2020, 02:45:07 pm »
Yes.  Given what low demand there might be for a potentially high supply of capable players, I'm not sure Smyly and Morton were best value.  But, what do I know.  Maybe they'll both be good, solid, back-of-rotation guys on an otherwise really really good roster. 
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« Reply #16114 on: November 24, 2020, 03:21:51 pm »
I think they probably see Morton and Smyly as the two highest ceiling pitchers on the market after Bauer. Morton was an ace level pitcher as recently as 2019 (and was a #2 type in 2017-18), and Smyly showed a big increase in velocity this year (he was dominant in a small sample: in 26 1/3 IP, he had 42 strikeouts and a 0.9 fWAR). They're probably hoping they'll hit on one, and the other will be a reliable innings eater.

It's probably worth an extra couple of million to jump early and get your top two targets. The alternative is waiting 2 months, maybe saving a couple million, and taking on the risk of having to settle for your fifth or sixth favorite target. 
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« Reply #16115 on: November 24, 2020, 03:48:40 pm »
Quote from: brjones on November 24, 2020, 03:21:51 pm
I think they probably see Morton and Smyly as the two highest ceiling pitchers on the market after Bauer. Morton was an ace level pitcher as recently as 2019 (and was a #2 type in 2017-18), and Smyly showed a big increase in velocity this year (he was dominant in a small sample: in 26 1/3 IP, he had 42 strikeouts and a 0.9 fWAR). They're probably hoping they'll hit on one, and the other will be a reliable innings eater.

It's probably worth an extra couple of million to jump early and get your top two targets. The alternative is waiting 2 months, maybe saving a couple million, and taking on the risk of having to settle for your fifth or sixth favorite target. 

I like Smyly and he pitched well, but how much of the velocity jump was do to how he was used.  He threw 1, 3.1, 4, 4, 3.2, 3.2, 5.1 and 5 innings for the Giants last year.  His velocity was creaping back down in the 2 5 inning games, so how much of the velocity jump will he hold. 

Morton was averaging 95 mph in 2019.  In 2020 it was 94.  He started out 92-93 and the increased to 94.7 in October.  Was it the late start or is he losing velocity.

I'm not sure you can look at either guy and think they are going to give you innings next year as a reliable starter.  They could be amazing or they could be really bad.
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« Reply #16116 on: November 27, 2020, 12:03:23 pm »
I always kinda liked Jim Leyland. I like him even more now.

https://theathletic.com/2217382/2020/11/27/jim-leyland-tigers-pirates/?source=dailyemail
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« Reply #16117 on: November 27, 2020, 03:30:50 pm »
That may be the best thing I have ever read on the Athletic.
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« Reply #16118 on: November 28, 2020, 11:13:50 pm »
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« Reply #16119 on: November 28, 2020, 11:41:17 pm »
Wasn't it estimated that the Cubs probably lost more than that? 
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« Reply #16120 on: November 29, 2020, 04:02:00 pm »
I thought the Cubs were reported at $140 million. I think the question is did the Ricketts family have to kick in $140 million or was it paper losses. We probably won’t know until Liberty media reports their earring again.
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brjones

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« Reply #16121 on: November 29, 2020, 10:35:31 pm »
Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal
Free-agent left-hander Mike Minor in agreement with Royals, pending physical, sources tell The Athletic.
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« Reply #16122 on: November 30, 2020, 01:55:08 am »
Addison Russell released by his Korean Club.  Where to next?
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« Reply #16123 on: November 30, 2020, 04:46:18 am »
Chicago.
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« Reply #16124 on: November 30, 2020, 07:25:08 am »
Is Streets and San hiring?
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