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Reb

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« Reply #22470 on: October 21, 2024, 03:43:36 pm »
Quote from: craig on October 21, 2024, 09:42:20 am
I'd think ~$275. 

2024, three tiers in the top 14:
1.  Tier 1:  NY, LA, NY ($350-314)
2.  Tier 2:  Braves, Philly, Houston, Texas, Giants ($278-248).
3.  Tier 3:  Toronto, Cubs, Padres, Boston, Arizona, St. Louis ($235-215).


I’ve said about $20 above the first CBT tier, which would be $257 in 2024. CBT goes to $241 in 2025, so about $260.

Phillies spending is unusual as their owner has said he “doesn’t care” how much he spends on payroll. See link below. Yes, John Middleton is a better owner than Ricketts but he’s unusual.

Braves spending varies year to year quite a bit. Braves were at $246 [Roster Resource/Fangraphs] in 2023 and jumped a lot in 2024.

Roster Resource has Astros, Rangers, Giants all below $257 for 2024 at $253, 252, 253. In 2023, those clubs were $226, 237, 217. So, they too have been all over the place.

In 2023. padres and Jays were big spenders….and then dropped down in 2024.

Only consistent big spenders are the NY and L.A. clubs and the Phillies “I don’t care how much I spend” owner.

Think that $275 for Cubs is unrealistic compared to any consistent spending pattern of other clubs, aside from NY, LA, Phils, if you look at last couple seasons.

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/phillies-owner-john-middleton-says-he-doesnt-care-how-high-payroll-goes-i-just-want-to-win/
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Re: Around Baseball
« Reply #22471 on: October 21, 2024, 04:06:38 pm »
IMO, Hoyer deserves the chance to make things work in 2025
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Re: Around Baseball
« Reply #22472 on: October 21, 2024, 07:45:35 pm »
Quote from: Reb on October 21, 2024, 03:17:58 pm
Well, maybe you can find some previous posts with a dollar figure. First time as far as I can tell. If I’m wrong about you, search and post.

More sealioning, demanding more evidence. 
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craig

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Re: Around Baseball
« Reply #22473 on: October 21, 2024, 07:53:54 pm »
reb, Im not sure how different the different lux tax trackers are.  I like spotrac because that's convenient for other sports, too.  And they've got so many ways to sort.  No idea if it's sometimes less accurate by a couple of mill.   
https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/tax/_/year/2024/sort/tax_total

They've got a column for "tax + bill".  Mets $450, Dodgers $428, Cubs $235.  Phillies and Braves at $294 and $272. 

Reb, you mention teams jumping around.  I think that's normal and to be expected.  The biggest jumper this year was LA.  In the "Tax+Bill" column, they jumped from $258 to  $428, that's a $170 jump!  Bigger than the Cubs jump... of $4. 
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Re: Around Baseball
« Reply #22474 on: October 21, 2024, 08:28:12 pm »
Quote from: CUBluejays on October 21, 2024, 07:45:35 pm
More sealioning, demanding more evidence.

MORE evidence?

How about ANY evidence?

In any case, we’re having a discussion now. Join in.
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Reb

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Re: Around Baseball
« Reply #22475 on: October 21, 2024, 08:36:52 pm »
Quote from: craig on October 21, 2024, 07:53:54 pm
reb, Im not sure how different the different lux tax trackers are.  I like spotrac because that's convenient for other sports, too.  And they've got so many ways to sort.  No idea if it's sometimes less accurate by a couple of mill.   
https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/tax/_/year/2024/sort/tax_total

They've got a column for "tax + bill".  Mets $450, Dodgers $428, Cubs $235.  Phillies and Braves at $294 and $272. 

Reb, you mention teams jumping around.  I think that's normal and to be expected.  The biggest jumper this year was LA.  In the "Tax+Bill" column, they jumped from $258 to  $428, that's a $170 jump!  Bigger than the Cubs jump... of $4.

Yeah, agreed, lots of jumping around on payroll.

It’s not like if Cubs got to X amount that some want, we should expect the same one year to next. Aside from NY/L.A. that’s what happens—jumping around.

Spotrac and RR are close but not the same. I prefer RR because it has player-by-player salaries that show the underlying details.
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« Reply #22476 on: October 21, 2024, 09:17:54 pm »
Kind of amazing that perennial contenders Yankees and Dodgers have not squared off in WS since 1981. Was approaching a 1/2 century.

In the pre-playoff era, they played each other six times between 1947-1956 and then again in 1963.

In 1963, Dodgers swept the Series. Dodgers bullpen pitched grand total of 0.2 Innings the entire series.

Three complete games, by Koufax (2) and Drysdale (1), and 8 1/3 innings by Johnny Podres. Yankees scored a total of four runs in four games.

This year, I’m going to take the OVER on whether Dodgers bullpen pitches one inning or more for the Series.
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« Reply #22477 on: October 22, 2024, 07:01:07 am »
I hope both teams lose.
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« Reply #22478 on: October 24, 2024, 06:07:58 pm »
Craig- Story today that $251 CBT 2024 payroll Rangers plan to get under CBT tax level for 2025. Just another example of our earlier discussion.
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Re: Around Baseball
« Reply #22479 on: October 25, 2024, 10:42:59 pm »
FREDDY FREDDY FREDDY
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« Reply #22480 on: October 25, 2024, 11:20:03 pm »
wow, what an exciting game!  No doubter for Freddy! 
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« Reply #22481 on: October 26, 2024, 10:13:32 pm »
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Re: Around Baseball
« Reply #22482 on: October 27, 2024, 10:07:11 am »
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« Reply #22483 on: October 28, 2024, 12:11:32 am »
MLB Trade Rumors @mlbtraderumors
The #Dodgers have interest in pursuing Juan Soto in free agency

The teams that win all the time go after great players. Teams like the Cubs brag about their "organizational positioning."
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« Reply #22484 on: October 28, 2024, 06:34:56 am »
I wouldn't dare pay Soto what he'll cost.

Isn't it fair to assume you could get Alonso,Burnes,a legit closer,and maybe even Buehler for what he alone would cost?
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