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CUBluejays

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« Reply #7500 on: January 14, 2018, 09:11:30 pm »
Cole is better than Salazar.  He was worth 3.1 fWAR last year and has a 5.5 fWAR season.  Salazar's best year he was worth 3.1 fWAR. 

I've been trying to figure out a comparable trade for the Cubs.  Montgomery seems to be superior to Musgrove.  Grimm less than Feliz.  Zagunis and the OF seem similar backup OF values.  The Cubs don't have a great comp for Moran, but Candelario would have been more valuable to me.  I wouldn't give that up for Salazar.

I agree completely about Quintana.

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« Reply #7501 on: January 14, 2018, 10:00:58 pm »
Salazar's extra year of control has a lot of value, and I don't give that much weight to Cole's one great year when he's been more of a mid-rotation starter the rest of his career. Stuff-wise, Cole and Salazar are pretty similar in quality--so I think you could make an argument for either of them having more potential going forward.

Cole may be a little more valuable, but it's close. I think if you were ranking the top potential trade candidates this offseason, the gap between Archer and Cole would be much, much bigger than the gap between Cole and Salazar.

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« Reply #7502 on: January 14, 2018, 11:01:27 pm »
Huge gap between Archer and Cole for sure, but the gap between Cole and Salazar is large too.

Salazar has thrown 150+ innings twice in his career and the last time was 2015.  Salazar has a much larger injury risk. 

Salazar BB% the last two years have been 10.8 and 10% and when being combined with a HR/FB of 12.4%, 12.8%, 16.1% that isn't a good recipe.  Especially with Salazar's 39.2% GB% last year.  He's got great stuff and strikes out a lot of guys, but his peripherals look more Carl Edwards than starting pitcher.

Cole has a career 22.4% K%, 6.3% BB%, 47.4% GB% and until last year suppressed HRs.  He's more consistent, more likely go give you 180+ innings, which to me is more valuable than the extra year that Salazar gives you.  It wouldn't shock me if Cole throws more innings the next 2 years than what Salazar throws over the next 3.  Plus Cole with the Astros might be Morton on steroids.
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« Reply #7503 on: January 15, 2018, 10:56:44 am »
Wow, Kendrick to the Nats for 2 years $7 million.  That's a great contract.

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« Reply #7504 on: January 15, 2018, 11:40:00 am »
Is the dam starting to break? Bruce got a fair contract that was for less than would've been expected at the beginning of the offseason. Now Reed and Kendrick have accepted below market deals. It seems some players might be starting to cave.

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Re: Around Baseball
« Reply #7505 on: January 15, 2018, 02:21:45 pm »
Pirates trade McCutchen to the Giants (at least Rosenthal says so):

Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal
#SFGiants have agreed to acquire Andrew McCutchen from the #Pirates, pending a review of medical records, sources tell The Athletic.

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« Reply #7506 on: January 15, 2018, 02:23:09 pm »
So are they getting a rusty bucket of old baseballs in this one?

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« Reply #7507 on: January 15, 2018, 02:26:50 pm »
Kind of a damn shame to see the Pirates going right back to where they were in the late 90's and the aughts by the way.  They definitely had a nice little run there.

Being a Cubs fan aside, I hope they're not going to be down for too long.  Their fans don't deserve to go through a spell like that again.

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« Reply #7508 on: January 15, 2018, 02:34:34 pm »
Man, my perception is way off sometimes.  I was thinking that he's been around forever and is over the hill.  But McCutcheon had a nice .850-ish season, and just turned 31.  Younger than our emerging closer! 

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« Reply #7509 on: January 15, 2018, 02:41:10 pm »
Cutch would have looked pretty damn good in CF for us.
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« Reply #7510 on: January 15, 2018, 03:14:51 pm »
If the Pirates are really tearing down, I wonder what Starling Marte would cost. I'm guessing they probably wouldn't sell low on him.

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« Reply #7511 on: January 15, 2018, 04:29:15 pm »
Somebody tweeted Kyle Crick and Bryan Reynolds to the Pirates.

Crick has stuff if he can throw strikes.  Reynolds was interesting coming out of the draft from Vandy and he's done well so far in the minors, if he can play CF I'd like this trade better than what they got for Cole.

McCutchen is bad in defensively in CF, if the Giants play him there yuck.

Harrison sounds like the only other guy to go, it isn't a complete tear down but more of a retooling.

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« Reply #7512 on: January 15, 2018, 04:49:23 pm »
Pirates locked up Felipe Rivero 4years/$22 million +2 $10 million/year options.

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« Reply #7513 on: January 15, 2018, 05:15:08 pm »
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Source: #Pirates will pay a portion of Andrew McCutchen’s 2018 salary as part of today’s trade with the #SFGiants. @MLB @MLBNetwork

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Re: Around Baseball
« Reply #7514 on: January 15, 2018, 07:56:22 pm »
Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal
Free-agent outfielder Curtis Granderson in agreement with #BlueJays on one-year, $5M contract, sources tell The Athletic. Deal also includes incentives and is pending a physical.