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« Reply #435 on: September 04, 2015, 12:39:09 pm »
where did you read that?

I had read they were going to have im miss one more start... and he wouldnt blow past it unless they got past first round of play-offs.

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« Reply #436 on: September 04, 2015, 12:50:42 pm »
So the Mets are going to blow past Harvey's innings limit for Dr. Andrews of 180 innings and Scott Boras seems none to pleased about it.  If he gets injured in the future I wonder if this would set up the Mets to get sued?

One would think that Boras discussed this with Harvey before going public and got the okay. That alone is pretty interesting: the player implying through the agent that he should pitch less because of health concerns.

Ordinarily, I would doubt that an arbitrator or judge is going to get into business of determining appropriate pitcher usage. But, if the player himself makes an issue of his health and the club overules the player, his doctor, and his representatives, who knows. Wonder if Harvey is going to publicly take issue with Mets handling of him--during a pennant race and post-season. Doubt it. Won't make him a hero in NY if says he doesn't want to pitch.

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« Reply #437 on: September 04, 2015, 12:53:38 pm »
Limit is 180 IP and Harvey already is at 166 with 30 games to go. So, missing one start doesn't keep him from 180 before end of season.

Mets are not shutting him down, so he will blow past 180.

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« Reply #438 on: September 04, 2015, 12:54:30 pm »
He has 13 2/3 innings left until he reaches 180 innings with 29 games left to go.  Even if they go to a 6 man rotation and skip him once that would be 3 more starts, which likely would but him over unless he is going to throw 4 innings before the playoffs start.

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« Reply #439 on: September 04, 2015, 01:15:15 pm »
wow. io thought he was closer to 156. they might have to shut him down for a couple weeks... going to 210ish would be a mistake.

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« Reply #440 on: September 04, 2015, 01:32:56 pm »
I really have no idea how it would work for MLB, which is why I was asking.  As a general rule if an employee is given work restrictions by a docotor and the employer ignores those and they result in injury it will open them up for liability. 

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« Reply #441 on: September 04, 2015, 01:50:03 pm »
He has 13 2/3 innings left until he reaches 180 innings with 29 games left to go.  Even if they go to a 6 man rotation and skip him once that would be 3 more starts, which likely would but him over unless he is going to throw 4 innings before the playoffs start.

So, with 3 starts, he'll hit his limit with 2 of them, and basically be one start beyond that limit.  Each playoff start would be an additional start beyond.  I could easily imagine them having such a comfortable lead on washington that they could easily rest him another time and skip his last start, too. 

I can't imagine the "180 innings" by Andrews is more than a guesstimate, though.  Why did he choose 180 versus 170 versus 160 versus 190?  180 is safe and no-problem, but 186 is going to wreck his arm?  Andrews has this pinned down to the nearest 3% precision?  I don't think so. 

The other thing is that if he has a subsequent injury, will we blame it on the extra six or 12 innings?  I suppose if in inning 183 his arm breaks like Dave Dravecky, or he has an obvious pop or tear like Kerry Wood or something, it will be easy to say "that extra 6 or 12 innings did him in."  But if next year August he has an injury, or in 2017 we notice that his velocity isn't quite what it used to be, will we then blame it on 3% overload in 2015? 

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« Reply #442 on: September 04, 2015, 01:51:54 pm »
I told you the Mets would go for it as I would bet most teams would.

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« Reply #443 on: September 04, 2015, 01:56:15 pm »
It worked out swell for the Nationals a couple of years ago

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« Reply #444 on: September 04, 2015, 02:09:12 pm »
So, with 3 starts, he'll hit his limit with 2 of them, and basically be one start beyond that limit.  Each playoff start would be an additional start beyond.  I could easily imagine them having such a comfortable lead on washington that they could easily rest him another time and skip his last start, too. 

I can't imagine the "180 innings" by Andrews is more than a guesstimate, though.  Why did he choose 180 versus 170 versus 160 versus 190?  180 is safe and no-problem, but 186 is going to wreck his arm?  Andrews has this pinned down to the nearest 3% precision?  I don't think so. 

The other thing is that if he has a subsequent injury, will we blame it on the extra six or 12 innings?  I suppose if in inning 183 his arm breaks like Dave Dravecky, or he has an obvious pop or tear like Kerry Wood or something, it will be easy to say "that extra 6 or 12 innings did him in."  But if next year August he has an injury, or in 2017 we notice that his velocity isn't quite what it used to be, will we then blame it on 3% overload in 2015? 

I have no clue why Dr. Andrews picked 180 innings, but he's done most of the research on this so I don't think it is just pulling a number out of thin air.  The numbers I quoted would be with a six man roation.   If they go with a 5 man roation it would be 4-6 starts before the playoffs start.  Say 6 innings and 5 starts and he's at almost 200 innings before any starts in the playoffs.  They should have managed his starts better earlier in the year, just like the Nationals should have.

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« Reply #445 on: September 04, 2015, 02:13:10 pm »

......I can't imagine the "180 innings" by Andrews is more than a guesstimate, though.  Why did he choose 180 versus 170 versus 160 versus 190?  180 is safe and no-problem, but 186 is going to wreck his arm?  Andrews has this pinned down to the nearest 3% precision?  I don't think so.  The other thing is that if he has a subsequent injury, will we blame it on the extra six or 12 innings?....... 

Yeah, it's prophylactic---and not precisly treatment of a present "injury" but rather the best medical estimate. Kind of like medical advice to a non-athlete "to take it easy for awhile" with that. So, Mets can say "soft" limit and Boras can say best medical assessment. That's why difficult for an arbitrator or judge to decide. Boras is just trying to ensure that Mets are aware that he's watching.

What if Mets advance to a 6 or 7 game World Series? Probably 5 post-season high stress starts for Harvey if not shut down.

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« Reply #446 on: September 04, 2015, 06:59:15 pm »
Lemme guess, we're rooting against the Pirates tonight, just not for the Cardinals.

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« Reply #447 on: September 04, 2015, 07:22:33 pm »
LOL, that's about right!

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« Reply #448 on: September 04, 2015, 07:29:13 pm »
I'm still cheering for the Pirates...I just won't be that upset if they lose. 

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Re: Around Baseball
« Reply #449 on: September 04, 2015, 07:36:46 pm »
I'm rooting for Skylab II