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Ray

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Dave23

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Re: Around Baseball
« Reply #601 on: September 18, 2015, 09:58:51 am »
How do you propose doing that?

jacey1

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Re: Around Baseball
« Reply #602 on: September 18, 2015, 01:09:09 pm »
BAN THAT TYPE OF SLIDE? ban the ss or 2B from stepping or planting in the basepath

CurtOne

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Re: Around Baseball
« Reply #603 on: September 18, 2015, 01:24:16 pm »
Kang is out 6-8 months. By the current rules, Coghlan did nothing wrong.  But MLB should really ban that kind of slide before next season. 
We've had enough subjective rules.  The other night the play at the plate went our way but what if it had gone against us?   What if it was the play-in game?   I could see that MLB could review all such plays and hand out fines and suspensions but that's it.

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Re: Around Baseball
« Reply #604 on: September 18, 2015, 01:59:10 pm »
The rule as it is enforced now is already subjective.  The standard now (could he reach the base?) is already arbitrary because the runners rarely try to reach the base on those types of plays. 

Coghlan clearly had his momentum going towards Kang yesterday even though he could reach the base.  Just make it so that the player's momentum has to be going towards second base, make the play reviewable, and give the replay officials the authority to make the call without having to take the original ruling on the field into account.

CurtOne

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Re: Around Baseball
« Reply #605 on: September 18, 2015, 02:23:14 pm »
Didn't say it wasn't subjective.   I'd throw it out.  The new blocking the plate rule too.  Also the rule on tossing pitchers who throw at hitters.  Let the league office sort it out.

CUBluejays

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Re: Around Baseball
« Reply #606 on: September 18, 2015, 03:00:43 pm »
CJ Nitkowski had a really interesting piece on it on JABO.

I guess the 3 infielders that have gotten hurt since 2008 have all been from Asia and in Asia they do not attempt to take out the infielder.   Kang planted and had his momentum going towards Coghlan, so Kang was in as much fault as Coghlan.  The also have a GIF on Kang changing directions to try and take out another infielder and that seems to be a bigger issue.

I think the new rules for catchers are a good thing.  I'm not sure how you make it safer for INF without making it so subjective it will drive people crazy. 


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Re: Around Baseball
« Reply #607 on: September 18, 2015, 04:17:42 pm »
Coghlan's slide was totally legal, because while he was leg-whipping, his hand was reaching the base.  I think it would be good to make the rules such that such an unnecessarily dangerous habit should be prohibited. 

Why keep it legal where a perfectly good sport is obligated to try to be tripping somebody like that and endangering somebody's career? 

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Re: Around Baseball
« Reply #608 on: September 18, 2015, 04:29:30 pm »
Agree.  Slide to the base, not "slide at the fielder so he can't get the throw off." 

If I was commissioner I would come out and say "Look, I know it's ambiguous because this is how it's always been.  Playing hard, and all that.  Most baseball people don't see anything wrong with Coghlan's slide.  Guys have been taught over and over that that's how you play the game, but we're going to change that.  From now on, slide to the base.  If it looks like you're sliding to take the other guy out, both runners will be out."

CurtOne

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Re: Around Baseball
« Reply #609 on: September 18, 2015, 04:36:04 pm »
CJ Nitkowski had a really interesting piece on it on JABO.

I guess the 3 infielders that have gotten hurt since 2008 have all been from Asia and in Asia they do not attempt to take out the infielder.   Kang planted and had his momentum going towards Coghlan, so Kang was in as much fault as Coghlan.  The also have a GIF on Kang changing directions to try and take out another infielder and that seems to be a bigger issue.

I think the new rules for catchers are a good thing.  I'm not sure how you make it safer for INF without making it so subjective it will drive people crazy. 


I don't agree on the catcher thing.  I don't think we should allow a runner to barrel into a catcher who has the ball twenty feet away from the runner, but the current rule is constantly causing both runners and catchers thinking about what they can and cannot do.  Umpires and catchers don't like it.

Jes Beard

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Re: Around Baseball
« Reply #610 on: September 18, 2015, 04:50:35 pm »
"From now on, slide to the base.  If it looks like you're sliding to take the other guy out, both runners will be out."

While that might be a great approach, I don't think the Commissioner gets to unilaterally change the rules of the game in mid-season.

CUBluejays

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Re: Around Baseball
« Reply #611 on: September 18, 2015, 05:33:17 pm »
I don't agree on the catcher thing.  I don't think we should allow a runner to barrel into a catcher who has the ball twenty feet away from the runner, but the current rule is constantly causing both runners and catchers thinking about what they can and cannot do.  Umpires and catchers don't like it.

I think it has gotten a lot better this year. They thing is if you allow the catchers to block the plate and not get run over the runner is going to get thrown out a lot on plays they shouldn't. If you allow the runner to run over catchers on close plays, then we are back to exposing catchers to pointless concussions.


Ron

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Re: Around Baseball
« Reply #612 on: September 18, 2015, 08:09:44 pm »
Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS  3h3 hours ago Florida, USA
bryce vs. mickey, 496 Gs. mantle 84 HR 197 XBH .296/.389/.508/.897 harper 95 HR 204 XBH .290/.384/.519/.903 @baseball_ref

As a big Mickey Mantle fan, I am impressed.

ben

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Re: Around Baseball
« Reply #613 on: September 18, 2015, 10:00:02 pm »
After 2 and 1/2, Dodgers 2, Pirates 0. 

Greinke has thrown 46 thru 3 innings, so he likely won't go past 6 or 7.  Let's hope Dodgers can pull away.  1 game behind Bucs would be great.

Chris27

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Re: Around Baseball
« Reply #614 on: September 18, 2015, 10:23:46 pm »
Corey Seager is scary good.