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CUBluejays

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« Reply #810 on: October 04, 2015, 10:10:05 am »
One thing I wish they would take into account is quality of opposition. 27% (9) of Arrieta's starts have been against the the Cardinals and Pirates.

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« Reply #811 on: October 04, 2015, 10:20:03 am »
Yep, I saw something on Twitter a week or so ago that showed that Arrieta had 3-4 more starts vs. .500+ teams than both Greinke and Kershaw...

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« Reply #812 on: October 04, 2015, 10:25:47 am »
Yep, I saw something on Twitter a week or so ago that showed that Arrieta had 3-4 more starts vs. .500+ teams than both Greinke and Kershaw...
Undoubtedly mostly due to the NL Central being a lot stronger than the NL West.

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« Reply #813 on: October 04, 2015, 10:41:58 am »
Greinke and Kershaw get more hype.  Arrieta's best hope is that the morons who vote for Greinke and Kershaw split their #1 votes.

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« Reply #814 on: October 04, 2015, 12:10:38 pm »
I don't think it would affect Kershaw's results, but Greinke has had some BABIP luck this year and against better teams that might not be as big of a help. Just for Reb, so I don't have to hear about how I think Greinke sucks (although he is another pitcher I wouldn't want the Cubs to sign) this is just in reference to the 3 pitchers named in this post. Greinke is a very good pitcher, a TORP.

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Re: Around Baseball
« Reply #815 on: October 04, 2015, 12:30:20 pm »
Giants signed the Martinez, Cuban OF, for $2.5 million.

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« Reply #816 on: October 04, 2015, 02:32:45 pm »
Well, it's only one example, but they gave it to Felix Hernandez in a year he went 13-12.

Greinke and Kershaw get more hype.  Arrieta's best hope is that the morons who vote for Greinke and Kershaw split their #1 votes.

One of the reasons Hernandez won with a 12-13 season was that his ERA was half a run better than Price, who finished 2nd but had 19 wins, more than 50 points back, and almost a full run ahead of Sabathia who led the league with 21 wins, and ended up just another 10 points behind Price.  So Price and Sabathia split votes of the 7 traditionalists who voted for someone with a lot of wins, and Hernandez got 21 first place votes from folks who were not so concerned with win totals when the ERA was so widely different between the ERA leader and the guys with nice win totals.

This year Arrieta is the win leader and is less than a tenth of a run behind Grienke, who is likely to split with Kershaw some of the vote of those inclined to support an LA team.  It would seem to look pretty good for Arrieta.

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« Reply #817 on: October 04, 2015, 04:31:39 pm »
Ichiro Suzuki has come in to pitch the 8th inning against Philadelphia.

He was a very talented pitcher as a schoolboy and pitched several times in blowouts in Japan (and exhibitions).  I like the Phillies but I hope Ichiro sets them down in order.

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« Reply #818 on: October 04, 2015, 05:24:32 pm »
Cardinals get swept by the Braves, finish three games ahead of the Cubs.

The two games the Cubs all but handed the Cardinals the last month were a 4-game swing.

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« Reply #819 on: October 04, 2015, 05:48:05 pm »
Yeah, that's definitely a prime take away from this season.   ;)

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« Reply #820 on: October 04, 2015, 05:59:46 pm »
Yeah, that's definitely a prime take away from this season.   ;)

While perhaps it shouldn't be a prime take away, I would be surprised if Maddon did not mention it at some time in spring training or when the Cubs are facing the Cards next season.

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« Reply #821 on: October 04, 2015, 06:16:01 pm »
That they could've, perhaps should've, won the division? Seems pretty big to me. Cubs were basically one hit and 9 outs away even though I heard folks say the losses to the Cardinals weren't important because the Cubs weren't going to win the division anyway. Turns out they might have.

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« Reply #822 on: October 04, 2015, 07:14:49 pm »
Well, it's only one example, but they gave it to Felix Hernandez in a year he went 13-12.

His ERA was also 0.45 runs lower than the next pitcher who threw 200 innings, or an ERA+ or 30 points better  Hernandez threw more innings than anyone else that year by 12 IP, and was 1 K short of leading the league.  As I said, "all else being equal..."
« Last Edit: October 04, 2015, 07:24:23 pm by OkieCubsFan »

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« Reply #823 on: October 04, 2015, 10:09:42 pm »
That they could've, perhaps should've, won the division? Seems pretty big to me. Cubs were basically one hit and 9 outs away even though I heard folks say the losses to the Cardinals weren't important because the Cubs weren't going to win the division anyway. Turns out they might have.

If you're going to translate some tough losses into wins, then you really should transfer some of the tough wins into losses too. 

This is what happens in a 162 game season. Tough wins; tough losses. Think Cubs had more than our share of tough wins. Cubs outperformed Pythagorian by 7 wins.
« Last Edit: October 04, 2015, 10:11:31 pm by Reb »

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« Reply #824 on: October 04, 2015, 11:44:00 pm »
But the tough wins aren't worth discussing.  The tough losses are what count.