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brjones

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« Reply #930 on: October 10, 2015, 10:45:39 pm »
Pretty dirty slide by Utley--didn't even go into the slide until he was at second base.  Ruben Tejada is going to be taken off on a cart--some kind of leg problem.  MLB has to address this in the offseason.

Jes Beard

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« Reply #931 on: October 10, 2015, 10:48:59 pm »
Pretty dirty slide by Utley--didn't even go into the slide until he was at second base.  Ruben Tejada is going to be taken off on a cart--some kind of leg problem.  MLB has to address this in the offseason.

Tejada left himself in the path of an oncoming runner.  I watched the play.  I had no problem with it.

brjones

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« Reply #932 on: October 10, 2015, 11:20:50 pm »
Tejada fractured right fibula.  Dirty slide results in a broken leg, but it's just "part of the game."

Utley's "slide" wasn't even really a slide.  Utley should be suspended for the rest of the postseason.

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« Reply #933 on: October 10, 2015, 11:23:53 pm »
Agreed, br, that slide was completely inexcusable and Utley should absolutely be made an example of.

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« Reply #934 on: October 10, 2015, 11:25:03 pm »
Meanwhile, the commentary crew on TBS spouting garbage about how these kinds of slides always used to be a part of the game. These tools are atrocious.

Jes Beard

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« Reply #935 on: October 10, 2015, 11:31:27 pm »
Tejada fractured right fibula.  Dirty slide results in a broken leg, but it's just "part of the game."

Utley's "slide" wasn't even really a slide.  Utley should be suspended for the rest of the postseason.

When you leave yourself in the path of an oncoming runner, and you turn your back to him to boot, bad things can happen.

If anything the Dodgers should give him a bonus.

brjones

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« Reply #936 on: October 10, 2015, 11:35:37 pm »
Utley's "slide" wasn't even really a slide.  Utley should be suspended for the rest of the postseason.

I don't think I was strong enough in this opinion.  Utley should be suspended for the rest of the postseason, plus at least 20 games next season.  Attempts to intentionally hurt other players should be taken really seriously.

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« Reply #937 on: October 10, 2015, 11:41:35 pm »
Pedro continues to be the best thing about TBS by criticizing the Utley "slide."

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« Reply #938 on: October 10, 2015, 11:48:31 pm »
Utley did what MLB players have been taught to do since they were young teens.  Tejada probably does the same thing if he's sliding into 2nd in that situation.

I'd like to see MLB put a rule in place to not allow that type of slide, but i can't really fault Utley...he did what most MLB guys would do in that situation.

Of course, what's also true is that Tejada put himself in harms way...no doubt an instinctive play on his part.  Really a shame.  I'll hope MLB puts a stop to that kind of slide, too.

Jes Beard

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« Reply #939 on: October 10, 2015, 11:54:58 pm »
I don't think I was strong enough in this opinion.  Utley should be suspended for the rest of the postseason, plus at least 20 games next season.  Attempts to intentionally hurt other players should be taken really seriously.

I entirely agree if it is an intentional effort to hurt another player.  I so no indication of an intent to hurt anyone.  If Utley's cleats were up, I might reach a different conclusion, but I saw no indication of intent to hurt anyone, only an intent to avoid a DP.

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« Reply #940 on: October 11, 2015, 12:04:41 am »
Pedro continues to be the best thing about TBS by criticizing the Utley "slide."

Easily. And every other network too. Petey is the GOAT

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« Reply #941 on: October 11, 2015, 12:50:18 am »
Regardless of what the umpires thought of Utley's slide, how did they not notice that he never touched second base?

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« Reply #942 on: October 11, 2015, 01:09:26 am »
Regardless of what the umpires thought of Utley's slide, how did they not notice that he never touched second base?

According to the way the rules were explained on TBS, once a baserunner is called out, he no longer is required to touch the base since at that point he is supposed to leave the field.  If it is later determined that the ump made the wrong call, the baserunner is supposed to be put back in the place were he would have been in the absence of the error.

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« Reply #943 on: October 11, 2015, 01:10:27 am »
Regardless of what the umpires thought of Utley's slide, how did they not notice that he never touched second base?

Rule is that they recreate what likely would have happened if call was originally correct--in this case fielder didn't touch bag. What would have happened? No-call/play still live (like when runner from 3B slides past home plate without touching plate and catcher misses the tag--ump stands around until one or other happens). Likely Utley goes back to touch bag with a no-call--when saw ump calling him out--moot to touch bag at that point. And, Tejada obviously wasn't going to get up and make a tag before Utley touches bag.

My take on play is that it was a dirty, unethical semi-slide (more of a rolling block than a slide) but "legal" under customs of the game, if not letter of the rules. Seems like umps only care if any part of sliding runner can touch bag (even if doesn't actually touch). Dirty because no primary intent to reach bag but primary intent to initiate a collision and reasonably forseeable to cause some form of harm to fielder.

Unfortunately, this is way game is played today, especially in crucial playoff, one-run, late inning situation. MLB should change how rules interpreted in this type of play. Terrible. Maybe something will happen as a result.
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« Reply #944 on: October 11, 2015, 02:27:03 am »
Utley has a history with this sort of BS - he's a serial offender.  Based on what I see in the video there's no reason he shouldn't be suspended for several games, minimum. Forget it being a bush league play - that slide wasn't legal under the letter of the rule.