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Playtwo

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Re: Around Baseball
« Reply #1665 on: December 04, 2015, 09:05:17 pm »
I despise the D'Backs and would welcome a chance to eliminate them in the NLCS.
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CUBluejays

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Re: Around Baseball
« Reply #1666 on: December 04, 2015, 09:05:51 pm »
$60 million deferred. So the present value is around $190 for a 32 year old pitcher.
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Deeg

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Re: Around Baseball
« Reply #1667 on: December 04, 2015, 09:33:31 pm »
Quote from: JR on December 04, 2015, 09:03:06 pm
There's such a thing as a good contract when it comes to free agent players like Greinke?

No bargains in free agency . . .

C'mon, you're better than that.  All FA contracts are overpays, so they're effectively the same?  Not much to that argument.
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JR

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Re: Around Baseball
« Reply #1668 on: December 04, 2015, 09:55:19 pm »
Quote from: Deeg on December 04, 2015, 09:33:31 pm
C'mon, you're better than that.  All FA contracts are overpays, so they're effectively the same?  Not much to that argument.

Ha!  I don't know if I'm better than that or not.  CurtOne would probably disagree.

But ultimately, he's a guy the Diamondbacks wanted, and they did what they had to do to get him.  Sometimes when you're a team like the Diamondbacks that's been irrelevant for a while, you just have to bite the bullet and do what you need to do.  They probably even know it's a bad contract too, but for them, it might be better doing that than just sitting around and letting him walk back to the Dodgers or sign with the Giants.   

I'm sure they know like we all know that they'll be paying a price for that 3-4 years from now, but I can respect the move on their part.
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Eastcoastfan

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Re: Around Baseball
« Reply #1669 on: December 04, 2015, 10:04:04 pm »
Diamondbacks also give up a relatively high (13th) first round pick.
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CurtOne

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Re: Around Baseball
« Reply #1670 on: December 04, 2015, 11:21:28 pm »
Quote from: method on December 04, 2015, 07:58:32 pm
terrible contract or not...

Cubs are no longer favorites in the NL imo... diamondbacks have as good of an offense... better defense... and maybe better pitching atleast for a year or 2.
The Diamondbacks may not even be the best team in their division.
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Jes Beard

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Re: Around Baseball
« Reply #1671 on: December 05, 2015, 08:34:08 am »
Quote from: Reb on December 04, 2015, 12:35:37 pm
If Pelfrey can get that deal, maybe Hammel can be moved.

Maybe Hammel can be moved?

Maybe?

If the Cubs were interested in moving Hammel it is very unlikely they would have any difficulty in doing so, and in doing so with a return many of his critics here would find quite attractive.
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Deeg

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Re: Around Baseball
« Reply #1672 on: December 05, 2015, 10:49:50 am »
Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal  4m4 minutes ago
How did that opt-out clause work out for Greinke? Two deals combined: Nine years, $282M.
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CUBluejays

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Re: Around Baseball
« Reply #1673 on: December 05, 2015, 12:25:48 pm »
Shark signs 5/$90 with the Giants. He also got a limited no trade clause.
« Last Edit: December 05, 2015, 12:30:53 pm by CUBluejays »
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Playtwo

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Re: Around Baseball
« Reply #1674 on: December 05, 2015, 12:28:27 pm »
Good chance for a bounce back year for Shark.  He'll love AT&T Park.
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Re: Around Baseball
« Reply #1675 on: December 05, 2015, 12:30:45 pm »
Levine says Samardzija had an offer for the same AAV from the Cubs, but for fewer years.
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CurtOne

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Re: Around Baseball
« Reply #1676 on: December 05, 2015, 12:33:44 pm »
It's a good day to be alive. 
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Jes Beard

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Re: Around Baseball
« Reply #1677 on: December 05, 2015, 01:21:54 pm »
Quote from: brjones on December 05, 2015, 12:30:45 pm
Levine says Samardzija had an offer for the same AAV from the Cubs, but for fewer years.

So much for Maddon being a FA magnet, or Smardj loving Chicago, or having confidence in his ability to bounce back, or caring about anything other than the money.
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« Reply #1678 on: December 05, 2015, 01:24:36 pm »
Quote from: CurtOne on December 05, 2015, 12:33:44 pm
It's a good day to be alive. 

Follow the money. Of course the player does that. I guess sentiment comes in for the player sporadically but not too often. Supposedly Lester had $168 offer from Giants and took $155 from Cubs. I don't know, maybe California taxes are higher and cut into difference. Also, Union does very good job making FAs understand that upper end contracts trickle down to everybody else in some respects. Solidarity and personal financial interests converge.

So, Lackey contract about 1/3 of Samardzija total value contract. Just think that's smart for Cubs. Flexibility going forward. At some point, Cubs have to develop some impact starting pitchers of our own.
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JR

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Re: Around Baseball
« Reply #1679 on: December 05, 2015, 01:33:31 pm »
Quote from: Reb on December 05, 2015, 01:24:36 pm
Also, Union does very good job making FAs understand that upper end contracts trickle down to everybody else in some respects. Solidarity and personal financial interests converge.

I think Samardzija even said he came from a union family and wouldn't be taking any hometown discounts before the Cubs traded him.  Not surprising he'd take the highest offer over the chance to be closer to home.
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