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ticohans

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Re: BBFL 2022
« Reply #1170 on: October 12, 2022, 07:20:47 pm »
Regarding SP/RP eligibility, I went through the last 6 seasons of team IP totals at the MLB level, and it looks like most years cap out around 1450, with some outliers reaching as high as 1475 IP.

In our fantasy league, this year the owner with the most IP was JR, with 1409.

Seems like we should be able to set a cap 1400-1500 IP and have a really safe ceiling that would prohibit obnoxious levels of streaming. IP cap could be adjusted over time if we find it's set to high or low. Does that satisfy those concerned with SP/RP shenanigans?
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Re: BBFL 2022
« Reply #1171 on: October 12, 2022, 08:06:20 pm »
It seems like most are in favor of both a playoffs system and letting Fantrax position eligibility be our source of truth, with a caveat for SP/RP.

I think we could get those items to a vote pretty quickly, which would allow continued focus on other items.

Related, does anyone else have a playoff system to propose? Tico and I each posted an option a couple days ago. But if there are other suggestions, I'd be interested to hear them. If we want to move fast on establishing a playoff system, then we need a few options to vote on. 

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Re: BBFL 2022
« Reply #1172 on: October 12, 2022, 08:36:42 pm »
How much discrepancy is there between a 7th starter and a 3rd or 4th reliever?

Would bumping points for holds up a bit make it more equal, and perhaps dissuade owners from trying to play the system?

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Re: BBFL 2022
« Reply #1173 on: October 12, 2022, 08:52:46 pm »
We should bump up holds regardless.

A generic 7th starter as a RP isn't an issue. But someone like Spencer Strider can be a league winner if the right team happens to pick him late in the draft and they're allowed to leave him in a RP spot all year.

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Re: BBFL 2022
« Reply #1174 on: October 12, 2022, 08:56:32 pm »
Don’t we have a rule in place to prevent that from happening?

ticohans

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Re: BBFL 2022
« Reply #1175 on: October 12, 2022, 09:11:25 pm »
We currently do, yes.

But some of the proposed changes to simplify league administration include relying on Fantrax for position eligibility.

In this scenario, an owner could draft 11 SP’s by targeting SP/RP pitchers for RP spots.

Instituting an innings cap would prevent this without requiring additional oversight.

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Re: BBFL 2022
« Reply #1176 on: October 12, 2022, 09:43:11 pm »
SP points
#1 730.67
#10 624
#20 572
#50 435
#100 300

RP #1 626
#10 507
#20 442
#50 362
#100 281

If we want to leave the transaction limits and keep the SP/RP then I’m going to need owners to set up and help keep track of it. 

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Re: BBFL 2022
« Reply #1177 on: October 13, 2022, 01:27:10 pm »
Related, does anyone else have a playoff system to propose? Tico and I each posted an option a couple days ago. But if there are other suggestions, I'd be interested to hear them. If we want to move fast on establishing a playoff system, then we need a few options to vote on. 

I prefer your playoff structure, I think, br. Would be happy to see that put up to a vote.

Also, any reason not to schedule an early vote on eliminating error negative points?

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Re: BBFL 2022
« Reply #1178 on: October 13, 2022, 03:22:28 pm »
I can vote on fantrax positions but I need more info and time on playoffs.

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Re: BBFL 2022
« Reply #1179 on: October 13, 2022, 03:30:35 pm »
SP points
#1 730.67
#10 624
#20 572
#50 435
#100 300

RP #1 626
#10 507
#20 442
#50 362
#100 281

If we want to leave the transaction limits and keep the SP/RP then I’m going to need owners to set up and help keep track of it. 

This was helpful to see. Thanks! How did hitters and pitchers compare, using the same ranking breakdown?

ticohans

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Re: BBFL 2022
« Reply #1180 on: October 13, 2022, 06:03:43 pm »
This was helpful to see. Thanks! How did hitters and pitchers compare, using the same ranking breakdown?


Keeping in mind this lumps in C's with OF's in a single group:

Hitters
#1 822
#10 608
#20 555
#50 485
#100 386

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« Reply #1181 on: October 13, 2022, 07:25:03 pm »
 Your mathes are idiotic without a standard deviation and actual rostered sum total of points. The stuff you are posting is if the league was 100% efficient and used the best reliever at every time possible. That is unlikely… while even the 80th best sp is likely used more then he should be…

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Re: BBFL 2022
« Reply #1182 on: October 13, 2022, 07:30:19 pm »
Your mathes are idiotic without a standard deviation and actual rostered sum total of points. The stuff you are posting is if the league was 100% efficient and used the best reliever at every time possible. That is unlikely… while even the 80th best sp is likely used more then he should be…

To put it another way. What is the WAR the 80th ranked rp place is vs the 80th ranked sp? It’s silly to think holds matter more then a sp5 that goes 4.5 innings with no wins no QS… while a RP gains points for a hold??

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Re: BBFL 2022
« Reply #1183 on: October 13, 2022, 08:21:34 pm »
I don’t have the time or desire for standard deviations or regression analysis. If someone would like to, please feel free.

Of the top 20 point players
12 SP
1 RP
7 hitters

Top 60 players
27 SP
4 RP
27 hitters
1 Ohtani

Top 100
51 hitters
35 SP
12 RP
1 Ohtan

The league usually will have 400 players active. It is usually.
96 SP (24%)
80 RP (20%)
224 hitters (56%)

Baseball has changed since the scoring was set up. If you can get a team that uses 1 closer relievers can score a fair amount of points, but most teams are moving away from that.  I don’t think relievers get the value they desrlerve, starters are over-rated. I was surprised the scoring with hitters towards the bottom half of the top started to be dominated by hitters. I still think it favors starters too much.

I’m missing 1 player and can’t figure it out.
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ticohans

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Re: BBFL 2022
« Reply #1184 on: October 13, 2022, 10:14:13 pm »
lol, method coming in hot.

“your mathes are idiotic” should be a meme