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chgojhawk

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Re: BBFL 2022
« Reply #1215 on: November 26, 2022, 10:40:18 am »
1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Yes
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CurtOne

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Re: BBFL 2022
« Reply #1216 on: November 26, 2022, 11:22:24 am »
1. still debating
2. no
3. yes
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brjones

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Re: BBFL 2022
« Reply #1217 on: November 26, 2022, 11:45:50 am »
1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Yes
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Dave23

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Re: BBFL 2022
« Reply #1218 on: November 26, 2022, 01:13:33 pm »
1. It should definitely be considered

2. Absolutely not

3. Yes, if for no other reason to simplify the eligibility question
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JR

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Re: BBFL 2022
« Reply #1219 on: November 27, 2022, 09:48:32 am »
1. Yes
2. No
3. Yes
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ticohans

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Re: BBFL 2022
« Reply #1220 on: November 28, 2022, 01:33:49 pm »
1) Yes
2) I'm open to considering the issue, but at present would vote "no" - swinging me to "yes" would be dependent on making it easier for rebuilding teams to accrue talent, while avoiding giving further advantage to top teams.
3) Yes
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CurtOne

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Re: BBFL 2022
« Reply #1221 on: November 28, 2022, 02:09:54 pm »
tico nailed the reason I voted no.  We need to avoid not forcing top teams from making tough decisions.  Weakening the current limits allows teams to keep too many blue ribbon keepers and prospects.
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chgojhawk

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Re: BBFL 2022
« Reply #1222 on: November 28, 2022, 02:39:13 pm »
That makes sense!  Let’s modify it to allow higher numbers (75-85 ABs and 40-50 IP) for teams that finish 9-16. My team’s chance of competing is pushed back another year if I have to keep Moreno, Aranda and Mitchell who are all in the 60-78 AB range. I would likely drop 1 or 2 of them. Joey Wentz who showed promise hit 32.2 innings in his September call up.

I doubt I would keep all 4 of them and not utilize the draft to pick up another minor leaguer but figuring out how to juggle them would give me options and allow me to build my major league team with 13 decent guys PLUS 2-3 of those minor league guys like Moreno, Mitchell, Aranda, Wentz.

If the goal is to help teams get competitive, then let’s flex the rule for the teams at the bottom.

I inherited a doormat.
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brjones

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Re: BBFL 2022
« Reply #1223 on: November 28, 2022, 05:49:13 pm »
Quote from: chgojhawk on November 28, 2022, 02:39:13 pm
If the goal is to help teams get competitive, then let’s flex the rule for the teams at the bottom.

I think a flex rule could be a good solution. Since the CBA now incentivizes earlier call-ups, I think this could be an advantage that helps teams rebuild a little faster.

I inherited a good team 4 years ago, so maybe I don't have enough context. But I'm just curious...I there a history I don't know about where someone at the top of the standings was able to game the system in this way? It just seems that it's more likely that teams at the bottom of the standings benefit from expanded minor league eligibility. They just have more opportunities to have these types of players on their roster.
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ticohans

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Re: BBFL 2022
« Reply #1224 on: November 28, 2022, 05:53:38 pm »
br, I don't think anyone ever meaningfully game the system. instead, given how much talent teams can lock up in our league, if you have a bad team, it can take a very looooong time to rebuild, especially given that (unlike real MLB teams) you can't spend your way to competitiveness.

I'm open to a tiered system, provided those running the league think it's not too much of a headache to administrate?
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CUBluejays

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Re: BBFL 2022
« Reply #1225 on: November 28, 2022, 08:23:37 pm »
Nobody took over a worse team than I did. I was 2000 points behind the 15 team and had maybe 5 guys worth keeping. So I think I have a little idea about what you need to rebuild, move beyond rebuild and try and compete.

Rebuilding requires some luck in drafting and building up your core 13 players.  When I was rebuilding I would much rather have guys move up to the majors and free a spot in the minors to draft another lottery ticket. Now people have gotten better at the minor league draft, but there are always good players available. Expanded minor league eligibility hurts rebuilding teams.

Middle tier is actually the hardest jump. You have to have to balance your team between pitching and hitting and you can’t be too concentrated at one area. You also can’t be too young either because it makes it harder to compete. I made my most mistakes here and it is full of tough choices. Being too young can actually make it worse. There might be some marginal benefit at keeping minor leaguers, but it won’t help you out.

The biggest benefit is going to be teams that are the top.  Here it is all about getting the highest point total. My 14th guy, Tico’s, JR, Br guy is going to be a decently high draft pick. Since Carroll would be eligible to be kept in the minors you are giving me 14 keepers and making my last draft pick irrelevant. This is where the most benefit is going to be at and it will allow the best teams to keep even more talent.

All Chgojhawk would be doing is kicking the tough choices he is going to have to make down the road 1 year.  I would get a definite benefit from being able to have Carroll in the minors.
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CurtOne

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Re: BBFL 2022
« Reply #1226 on: November 28, 2022, 10:36:38 pm »
CBJ, you did a masterful job of clawing your way to the contenders.  You used surgical precision.  You diagnosed your situation well.  On top of all that you were very lucky with a few picks and trades.  Unfortunately, not everybody has that going for them.  Method did a great job with his team and brought it up from the dregs, as others have.  Robb did, too.  But the number who have struggled and started gaining ground and then got slapped back and far more numerous.

I like the idea of a tiered system, but not sure how it would work.  Bottom half 8 need more picks not fewer, so allowing them to keep 14 keepers just means they get to hold on to one more piece of dead wood.  Do we make trading into the first five picks illegal if you're a top five?  Starts to get a little tricky.   
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CUBluejays

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Re: BBFL 2022
« Reply #1227 on: November 28, 2022, 11:11:37 pm »
I’ve made plenty of bad trades too.

Most people over estimate how talented your 13 needs to be to compete. Most teams are going to be better off moving a young player to their 13 and having an extra minor league pick. If you do your work you can get really great players even late in the minors draft.


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Re: BBFL 2022
« Reply #1228 on: November 29, 2022, 07:47:05 am »
1. No  (if you are not interested in your team by June, and leave players on the IL/minors after 7 days, you should lose them and they go back in the pool for others to pick up...7 days is plenty of time to check on your team nowadays, unless you are hospitalized)

2. No

3. No
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ticohans

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Re: BBFL 2022
« Reply #1229 on: November 29, 2022, 02:51:07 pm »
Quote from: CUBluejays on November 28, 2022, 08:23:37 pm
When I was rebuilding I would much rather have guys move up to the majors and free a spot in the minors to draft another lottery ticket. Now people have gotten better at the minor league draft, but there are always good players available. Expanded minor league eligibility hurts rebuilding teams.

This is interesting feedback, and I'd be curious to hear from other owners who have had bottom half finishes recently: will expanding minor league eligibility (that is, increasing AB's or IP's threshold to allow guys to retain minor league eligibility longer) help you?

Or, would granting extra minor league picks to teams in the bottom half be better? That might be a real boon... something like top 8 no change. 9-12 get 1 extra minor league spot/pick, 13-16 get 2 extra minor league spots/picks?
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