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Dave23

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Cubs in ‘24
« on: October 03, 2023, 07:54:07 am »
Discuss what lies ahead…
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Dave23

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Re: Cubs in ‘24
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2023, 07:55:15 am »
And yeah…let’s start with this…

https://www.bleachernation.com/cubs/2023/10/02/pete-alonso-interest-cubs-1/

What’s your best offer for 1 year (and potentially more) of Pete Alonso?
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Re: Cubs in ‘24
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2023, 08:20:21 am »
My great fear is that Hoyer is going to pillage the farm system it took so much tanking to build in order to try and remain borderline competitive without having to ask PTR to go into the tax.  Not at all interested in Alonso as a rental - he'll cost more than he's worth.
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Re: Cubs in ‘24
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2023, 11:12:14 am »
What if he comes with a new deal? What kind of deal would you offer him?
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CUBluejays

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Re: Cubs in ‘24
« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2023, 02:54:05 pm »
Goldschmidt got traded to the Cardinals for Carson Kelly, Luke Weaver, Andrew Young and a comp B pick.  He then signed an extension for 5 years, $130 million before becoming a free agent. 

Goldschmidt is better than Alonso.

So Amaya, Assad and Jared Young and 5 years, $100 million. 
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Re: Cubs in ‘24
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2023, 03:04:30 pm »
BN now reporting that the interest is mutual…Alonso wants to be a Cub…
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Re: Cubs in ‘24
« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2023, 03:09:15 pm »
Then let him force his way onto the Cubs for peanuts.  BN was quoting Jessie Rogers.
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Re: Cubs in ‘24
« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2023, 04:24:21 pm »
Quote from: Dave23 on October 03, 2023, 11:12:14 am
What if he comes with a new deal? What kind of deal would you offer him?

Mervis and Smyly.  As for a contract, no more than 5 years at around $20-22M.  Neither of which would be enough, so fine.   Alonso does one thing very well, hit HRs.  A very valuable skill no doubt, and he's elite at it.  Pretty much average or worse at every other facet of the game and unlikely to age well.
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Re: Cubs in ‘24
« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2023, 06:50:26 pm »
Quote from: Playtwo on October 02, 2023, 06:19:20 pm
Hendricks is a lock to be in the rotation. Probably with Steele, Stroman, Wicks, and Taillon to start the season if all are healthy.

I posted this idea a couple weeks ago.  And Curt won't like it!  But I'd like to see the Cubs intentionally schedule in rest windows for their old veterans.  Hendricks, Taillon, Stroman.  I think these older guys in their 30's with 900-1500 innings, I think they just get tired.  Big strong Jon Lester would run into dead-arm periods every summer, I think that just tends to happen for finesse guys after a thousand innings.  If you're going to ride 32-34-year-old guys finesse guys, protect them, keep them fresh, and give them opportunity to be at their best. 

Likewise for Wicks and Assad, Horton and Brown, guys who have been protected and used cautiously in the minors.   

Could allow you to keep the vets you've already committed to, but still try to upgrade?  Both keep Hendricks at $12.5 in what seems like a fair-value deal.  But still add one upside FA, whether one of the Japanese guys or somebody else with ceiling? 
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Re: Cubs in ‘24
« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2023, 07:01:14 pm »
Curt has mentioned concern with short-stat starters, and then look-for-today's-loser use of one-inning relievers. 

I think strengthening the bullpen is crucial.  A lot looks different if the bullpen is good and deep and trustworthy. 

Wesneski, Cuas, Little, Palencia, those are all limited-experience guys who can look good on occasion, but are all wild and wildly inconsistent.  I could imagine hoping "infrastructure" can improve them all, and if so all of a sudden you've got a deep staff.  Or maybe wild is wild, and nothing changes. 

Will be curious to see what Hoyer does. 
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Re: Cubs in ‘24
« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2023, 08:12:50 pm »
I don't like any of that.
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Re: Cubs in ‘24
« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2023, 09:36:10 pm »
David Stearns is now in charge of the Mets...NO WAY he lets Alonso go without starting a bidding war and fleecing his trading partner!
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