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Re: Cubs Draft 2017
« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2017, 11:51:49 am »
I'm thinking maybe we should avoid Hemleich.

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Re: Cubs Draft 2017
« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2017, 01:20:49 pm »
On Heimlich, it is being reported all MLB teams were aware. 

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Re: Cubs Draft 2017
« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2017, 01:31:56 pm »
On Heimlich, it is being reported all MLB teams were aware. 

On the plus side, I hear he has a good move (apologies to Playtwo).

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« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2017, 02:14:04 pm »
New mock from Baseball America.

27. Cubs

Another fast riser on the workout circuit has been Wisconsin-Milwaukee’s Daulton Varsho, whose father Gary was a Cubs draftee in 1982 and played parts of three seasons on the North Side. The younger Varsho, a third-team All-American, has the best bat of any available college catcher, moving ahead of San Diego’s Riley Adams and TCU’s Evan Skoug, and has shown the athleticism to catch.

Pick: Daulton Varsho, c, Wisconsin-Milwaukee

30. Cubs

Chicago’s search for pitching continues. Picking at 30, it makes sense to roll the dice on an injured player such as Clarke Schmidt if the Cubs believe in the makeup and the work ethic, and everyone does. The Cubs could get a top 15-caliber talent with the 30th selection.

Pick: Clarke Schmidt, rhp, South Carolina |



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Re: Cubs Draft 2017
« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2017, 03:50:26 pm »
I think Romero's problem was alcohol-related...

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Re: Cubs Draft 2017
« Reply #20 on: June 09, 2017, 06:46:58 pm »
Law talked more about Allen to the Cubs. He thinks they are trying to go over/under with the 2 first round picks and that would to get a top 15 talent and that takes Allen out of the Cubs first round.

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Re: Cubs Draft 2017
« Reply #21 on: June 09, 2017, 07:15:48 pm »
Law talked more about Allen to the Cubs. He thinks they are trying to go over/under with the 2 first round picks and that would to get a top 15 talent and that takes Allen out of the Cubs first round.

Say what?

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Re: Cubs Draft 2017
« Reply #22 on: June 09, 2017, 09:31:41 pm »
Over slot with one pick, under slot with the other.


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Re: Cubs Draft 2017
« Reply #24 on: June 10, 2017, 07:27:04 am »
I was listening to the Cubs Talk Podcast and they were talking to Matt Dorey. Dorey mentioned that they like the college pitching in the first round, but those players may not make it to their first pick. If that didn't work out he mentioned fall back options and that the Cubs have done work on high school pitching looking for present stuff, athletic, control, etc...  They still consider college hitting less risky, that it is not a great year for those players and they don't expect them to make it to there pick.

He also talked about the R&D and analytics playing role. The have a full time R&D guy and basing some projections off of historical comps to player type.

They have looked at pitching scouting over the last 24 months and that TORP comes from the first 2 rounds.

Kris Bryant's dad is leading a scout team in Vegas for the Cubs.  More of an area scout type of gig.
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Re: Cubs Draft 2017
« Reply #25 on: June 10, 2017, 11:19:59 am »
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/baseball/story/_/id/19592438/luke-heimlich-oregon-state-asks-excused-playing-start-ncaa-super-regionals

Luke Heimlich said in the statement that he didn't want to be a distraction to the team, which defeated Vanderbilt 8-4 on Friday in the opening game of their NCAA super regional. Heimlich's attorney, Stephen Ensor, released the statement just hours before first pitch.

"I understand that many people now see me differently, but I hope that I can eventually be judged for the person I am today," Heimlich said in his statement. "I'm so proud of our team's accomplishment and don't want to be a distraction. Therefore, I've respectfully requested to be excused from playing at this time."


My comment -- Heimlich's decision not to pitch may be a second hammer-blow to his draft position any future in professional baseball.  It would seem to be an indication that he may have real trouble dealing with the focus certain to come his way after disclosure of his conviction.  Certainly it probably would have been worse if he were to pitch and utterly stunk in the appearance, but he truly needed a solid showing to convince front offices that he has the emotional makeup to successfully deal with the recent disclosures.

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« Reply #26 on: June 10, 2017, 11:36:34 am »
It depends upon whether you believe his statement, that he is doing it for the team, or if you believe he is doing it because he can not handle the situation.  I don't know enough about the kid to make that judgement.  But if the Cubs are interested in him, I think it is likely that they have done the research to make that judgement.

I imagine that it depends upon how far down he falls.  It sounds like he has the talent to be a mid-second round pick.  I assume that no one will take him there, but if he falls to round 5 - 6 - 7, someone is going to take a chance on him.  I wouldn't mind if it were the Cubs.

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Re: Cubs Draft 2017
« Reply #27 on: June 10, 2017, 12:05:36 pm »
It depends upon whether you believe his statement, that he is doing it for the team, or if you believe he is doing it because he can not handle the situation.  I don't know enough about the kid to make that judgement.  But if the Cubs are interested in him, I think it is likely that they have done the research to make that judgement.

I imagine that it depends upon how far down he falls.  It sounds like he has the talent to be a mid-second round pick.  I assume that no one will take him there, but if he falls to round 5 - 6 - 7, someone is going to take a chance on him.  I wouldn't mind if it were the Cubs.

As a defense attorney I am all about "he paid his debt to society" etc.....but before saying that I would be happy with the Cubs taking him (in any round) I would want to find out a little more about what happened and where he is now.  I'm guessing that I will never find out that information.  I'm all for 2nd, and sometimes 3rd, and even 4th chances.  I am hopeful that this young man has received sufficient counseling to deal with this issue.  Unfortunately my experience suggests that many people who are capable of "molesting a 6 year old" have demons that are beyond their control.

As I get older I buy into Jerry Seinfeld's theory that we are simply rooting for pieces of cloth.  However, I am also able to be more selective in who I support.  I can't imagine that Heimlich, or anyone else, would want to have issues of this sort.  If Heimlich has received sufficient treatment and is now a positive, contributing member of society, I would be in favor of drafting him in a logical round.  While none of us here are likely to find the answers, I am hopeful that the Cubs brass does their due diligence.

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Re: Cubs Draft 2017
« Reply #28 on: June 10, 2017, 12:14:21 pm »
He was 15 years old.  There's a reason that those kind of juvenile records are supposed to be sealed.  His crime concerns me but I'm also concerned about the journalist who wet himself in revealing it.  The kid may have ruined his life at 15, but somebody else has severely damaged what was left of it.   
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Re: Cubs Draft 2017
« Reply #29 on: June 10, 2017, 12:34:20 pm »
As JHawk said, we don't know the details of the case.  The term "molest", as I understand it, can cover a wide range of actions, and I suspect that there is a spectrum of "seriousness" in the range.  And as Curt says, the reason these things are sealed for minors is so that something done at age 15 does not affect you for the rest of your life.  Nonetheless, now that the information is on the street, it is very likely to affect his draft position.  But since it appears that this front office places great stress on character, I would expect them to do substantial investigation into the current character of their draftees, and especially one that has a known blot on that character.