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CurtOne

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Re: Cubs Draft 2017
« Reply #60 on: June 11, 2017, 12:53:51 pm »
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« Reply #61 on: June 11, 2017, 01:59:15 pm »
I didn't make myself clear.  Certainly, the MLB has the authority to punish a person for mere allegations.  What I was saying was that no one SHOULD have the legal right, and certainly not the moral right, to punish someone over mere allegations of illegal activity.  Specifically, neither the MLB nor the team should suspend, fire or fine someone for illegal activity if the legal authorities do not have the evidence or the will to prosecute.


The legal authorities have to work under very different standards and procedures than does a private association--as they should given that the former have power to incarcerate. The bar to prosecute is much higher--- as it must be. Way, way more complex and more factors to consider on all sides.

MLB can and should have a lower bar. No reason MLB should not scrutinize independently any factual scenario  that impacts its business and its own standards, irrespective of the state legal process.

If the factual scenario pertains to a person covered by the cba, then there is another layer of scutiny and protection for the accused. This is a big reason for unionizing in the private sector. Covered persons get a form of industrial justice that otherwise would be left to unfettered discretion of management, here, the Commissioner.


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Re: Cubs Draft 2017
« Reply #62 on: June 11, 2017, 02:35:21 pm »
New Keith Law mock out today.

Surprisingly, Law has Cubs selecting the Oregon State pitcher in the first round!

No, not that Oregon State pitcher.

This guy:

Drew Rasmussen

Oregon State

I think the Cubs would prefer to take a pitcher here, but they won't force the issue if they don't love the options. Rasmussen could have gone higher than this, had he been healthy all spring, but he missed half the year as he recovered from 2016 Tommy John surgery.

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Re: Cubs Draft 2017
« Reply #63 on: June 11, 2017, 03:40:43 pm »
Good thing Ron LeFlore didn't have to deal with the current PC climate.

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Re: Cubs Draft 2017
« Reply #64 on: June 11, 2017, 03:57:47 pm »
Law's guy has been 95-97 and ranked 100ish from the public rankings I saw. If he is the underslot guy that could be interesting.

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Re: Cubs Draft 2017
« Reply #65 on: June 11, 2017, 05:01:27 pm »
The legal authorities have to work under very different standards and procedures than does a private association--as they should given that the former have power to incarcerate. The bar to prosecute is much higher--- as it must be. Way, way more complex and more factors to consider on all sides.

MLB can and should have a lower bar. No reason MLB should not scrutinize independently any factual scenario  that impacts its business and its own standards, irrespective of the state legal process.

If the factual scenario pertains to a person covered by the cba, then there is another layer of scutiny and protection for the accused. This is a big reason for unionizing in the private sector. Covered persons get a form of industrial justice that otherwise would be left to unfettered discretion of management, here, the Commissioner.



If you are going to punish a person based for an act, the bar SHOULD be high.

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Re: Cubs Draft 2017
« Reply #66 on: June 11, 2017, 10:38:33 pm »
Cubs have had work outs at Wrigley with Drew Fischer, RPH, Armhurst college who is from Illinois and hit 95 as a Sophmore. Spencer Strider, RHP, Clemson commit who is too 200ish, another short atheltic righty with a big fastball. Manuel from BA is also saying Dalton Varsho had an impressive work out with the Cubs.

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« Reply #67 on: June 11, 2017, 11:05:29 pm »
Varsho was a Cubs pick in one of the recent mocks. Would be interesting if Cubs took a catcher in 1st round.

This is from today's BA draft notebook:

There are a few teams interested in Wisconsin-Milwaukee catcher Daulton Varsho (No. 100) on the first day of the draft. Some teams believe Varsho can stick behind the plate and are enthusiastic about his offensive upside, while others see him moving to left field and are hesitant to bite given his small sample of performance against quality pitching.

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Re: Cubs Draft 2017
« Reply #68 on: June 12, 2017, 03:52:02 am »
Callis/Mayo:

27. Cubs
Mayo: Nick Allen, SS, Parker HS (San Diego) - I've had Allen in this spot pretty much from the get-go and I see no reason to change course now.

Callis: Tanner Houck, RHP, Missouri - Chicago needs pitching much more than hitting and could grab two college arms with its multiple first-rounders. Coming into the year, the Cubs wouldn't have expected a shot at Houck, who originally projected as a top-10 selection.

30. Cubs (Compensation pick for Fowler signing with the Cardinals)
Mayo: Sam Carlson, RHP, Burnsville (Minn.) - Carlson is one of those high school arms who could go much higher based on talent, but could settle down to the bottom of the round as prep right-handers often do.

Callis: Drew Rasmussen, RHP, Oregon State - Rasmussen also has come back nicely this spring, hitting 98 mph after having Tommy John surgery in March 2016. If Chicago wants a position player, it could snag California high school shortstop Nick Allen, the Draft's top defender.

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Re: Cubs Draft 2017
« Reply #69 on: June 12, 2017, 01:43:31 pm »
I think teams should evaluate where they would have taken Heimlich had the information on his juvenile record not been disclosed and that's where to leave him on the board.  Certainly they should thoroughly check his current state of mind, but my sense of fairness is that he shouldn't be punished for something nobody was supposed to know.

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Re: Cubs Draft 2017
« Reply #70 on: June 12, 2017, 02:45:47 pm »
Respectfully I would have to disagree Curt.  I think the likelihood of success for Heimlich is significantly reduced based on this major revelation.  Heimlich removed himself from the OSU rotation for their super regional which hardly receives media attention.  The media and crowds could tear this kid up.  Bottom line is that as a prospect, his future IMHO is far darker than it was a week ago.  This doesn't even take into consideration the possible lack of acceptance by future teammates and opponents.

What he did was very significant.  It is not an allegation.  The kid admitted to it.  I am also not certain that his juvenile record was supposed to be confidential.  I believe in Oregon juvenile records are public.  No matter the rule relative to juveniles, he WAS supposed to register as a sex offender and apparently did not do so at his new address.

Perhaps he will hire a PR agent and do some PSAs about child molestation.  Perhaps he will get a standing ovation at the CWS. Perhaps he will make amends with the mother of the little girl.  Perhaps not.

He would be off my draft board.  Not necessarily due to the charge (though it would play a role), but due to my opinion that he will never have baseball success due to the charge becoming public information.
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Re: Cubs Draft 2017
« Reply #71 on: June 12, 2017, 03:05:51 pm »
Fair enough Hawk, if it is a scouting evaluation based on his mental state and ability to handle the increased pressure of his situation. Any GM would be stupid not to consider the possibilities and the kid's mental make-up. If otoh it is a punishment for what he did, I wouldn't agree with that. He did something heinous and nasty to an innocent little girl, but he was himself a kid and by all accounts has not relapsed in any way. It's too bad the kid didn't play football, if so he'd be a Dallas Cowboy for sure.

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Re: Cubs Draft 2017
« Reply #72 on: June 12, 2017, 03:30:20 pm »
LOL a the Dallas Cowboys comment. 

While I would agree that Heimlich was a kid when he started molesting the little girl (13 yrs. old), he was 15 when he was caught.  It may not seem significant, but I feel that there is a difference.  At 13 a boy is hitting puberty and is going through changes in his body and chemistry.  At 15 they should absolutely know better and have greater ability to make decisions.  Junior high vs. high school.  Huge difference.

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Re: Cubs Draft 2017
« Reply #73 on: June 12, 2017, 04:06:02 pm »
I see your point, hawk, and I would be uncomfortable around this kid, but there has to be some possibility of redemption  or he might as well end it all.

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Re: Cubs Draft 2017
« Reply #74 on: June 12, 2017, 04:23:59 pm »
He may not have an opportunity at a major league baseball career as a consequence of his actions, but he can redeem himself in other ways.
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