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Dave23

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Re: Cubs Draft 2022
« Reply #60 on: July 17, 2022, 10:19:29 pm »
If it is you and Dave will be happy, because he'll be a Bulldog next season.

Rebel, not Bulldog…that’s those agriculture majors from down South in Starkville…

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papa smurf

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« Reply #62 on: July 17, 2022, 10:23:37 pm »
does this mean the cubs go cheap the rest of the way to help pay for ferris or do the other rounds just get a certain amount?

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« Reply #63 on: July 17, 2022, 10:23:46 pm »
Cubs certainly going with some risk with these two picks, but they are definitely getting some upside.
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« Reply #64 on: July 17, 2022, 10:30:40 pm »
does this mean the cubs go cheap the rest of the way to help pay for ferris or do the other rounds just get a certain amount?

Depends on what Horton is signing for. The rumor was the Cubs we’re looking to save on the first round pick. If Horton was looking at full slot at 10 they could save around $700,000 by giving him $5 million. There second round pick has $1.6 million bonus slot. If his ask is $3 million they probably go senior signs in the 6-10 rounds. If they aren’t saving much on Horton then they probably have to punt the rest of the draft if his ask is $3 million.

The Cubs seem to love the IMG lefties.

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« Reply #65 on: July 17, 2022, 10:33:04 pm »
Cubs certainly going with some risk with these two picks, but they are definitely getting some upside.

I'm a lot more comfortable with the level of risk with Ferris than with the 7th overall pick, especially considering who was still on the board.

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« Reply #66 on: July 17, 2022, 10:39:02 pm »
if they sign ferris then it might be worth the risk but if not then it is a waste. I just wish they would have gone best available with both picks.

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« Reply #67 on: July 17, 2022, 10:52:45 pm »
Top 10 round picks usually have an agreed upon price before the pick is made and very rarely don’t sign. 

If you drafted Parada or Lee at 7 you probably don’t get Ferris at 47. The Cubs came away with 2 first round talents with their top 2 picks.  Both have a chance at being a #2-3 starter in scouting terms, which is a 3-4 WAR player or an all-star level pitcher.
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Re: Cubs Draft 2022
« Reply #68 on: July 17, 2022, 10:54:18 pm »
well it looks like this time next year we will have another top pick. and the year after that and maybe the year after that

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Re: Cubs Draft 2022
« Reply #69 on: July 17, 2022, 11:03:00 pm »
I wasn't surprise by the Rocker going #3.   None of the mockers knew where to put him.  I really wonder if he had still been on the board at 7, when our brain trust would have done.
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Re: Cubs Draft 2022
« Reply #70 on: July 17, 2022, 11:07:42 pm »
Top 10 round picks usually have an agreed upon price before the pick is made and very rarely don’t sign. 

If you drafted Parada or Lee at 7 you probably don’t get Ferris at 47. The Cubs came away with 2 first round talents with their top 2 picks.  Both have a chance at being a #2-3 starter in scouting terms, which is a 3-4 WAR player or an all-star level pitcher.

Everybody has a chance to be anybody.  It's all about odds.  If the Cubs truly believed Lee (or Parada, for that matter) isn't what the overwhelming majority of the scouting community thinks he is, then I guess it makes sense.  What they did was effectively trade down in the draft like NBA teams do.  Whether it's smart in any specific case depends on the available options.

For me, where the Cubs are now, when you're sitting at #7 you take the BPA.  I think that was Lee, who some scouts had going at #1 and seems as close to a sure thing as anybody in this draft.

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« Reply #71 on: July 18, 2022, 12:46:53 am »
Kind of figured that the first seven picks would not be the “Big 7” from the Mocks over past few weeks. Draft always seems to have some surprises. This one no different.  Just don’t know in advance what the surprises will be.

Nobody expected the Horton pick of course. BA said Horton pitched post-season like scouts saw him pitch in HS pre-TJ, so the dramatic post-season improvement compared to regular season not out of nowhere. Guessing that HS pedigree was a factor for Cubs.

I get the Brooks Lee appeal, but BA noted he’s a body builder of sorts and the bulk may affect his range as a pro as he ages, plus he has an injury history. Still, everybody thinks he’ll hit but maybe limited upside as solid regular rather than a star? Also get appeal of a possible #2 SP exceeds that of Lee, arguably.

Guessing that Horton at #10 slot money savings (compared to #7 slot) plus 5% overage will pay for almost all of the overslot Ferris bonus.

Interesting that Jacob Berry, defense issues and all, went way higher than age wunderkind Cam Collier. Maybe Collier didn’t overly impress during brief stint at the Cape or maybe a guy who mashes at top college level is more appealing.

Wouldn’t mind seeing Cubs take a slot value college pitcher in 3rd round, if possible. Go all in on pitching, these rounds.

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Re: Cubs Draft 2022
« Reply #72 on: July 18, 2022, 01:01:20 am »
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Re: Cubs Draft 2022
« Reply #73 on: July 18, 2022, 06:00:31 am »
Some grades.

CBS:
7. Cubs: Cade Horton, RHP, Oklahoma
Horton had a phenomenal June for the Sooners, causing his stock to shoot up after the publication of our top 30 rankings. Those are the breaks sometimes. He has a big-time power arm, though none of the scouts or evaluators who spoke to CBS Sports were sold on him sticking in a rotation. The Cubs taking him this early, then, is a steep gamble, albeit one that may end up looking brilliant. Grade: C


BR:
Grade: C

Between Horton's limited collegiate success and the Cubs' abysmal recent track record developing pitching, this is a tough one to understand. It looks an awful lot like what the Kansas City Royals did picking at No. 7 overall last year when they reached for Frank Mozzicato to save money for later in the draft, so stay tuned.


Sporting News: 
7. Cubs — Cade Horton, RHP, Oklahoma

Grade: B
Horton struggled mightily through the first half of the Oklahoma season, but he picked it up late and was as dynamic as anyone during the Sooners' College World Series final run. His fastball reaches the upper 90s and his slider is a filthy out-pitch. He also offers a solid curveball and a serviceable changeup. The Cubs are thinking that what he did in the College World Series is the type of pitching prospect he'll be in the system. More risk than most college arms taken this early, but plenty of upside.

ESPN:
7. Chicago Cubs: Cade Horton, RHP, Oklahoma
Who is Horton? A late riser on draft boards, Cade Horton was dominant on the mound during Oklahoma's College World Series run capped by a MCWS final-record 13-strikeout outing against eventual champion Ole Miss in Omaha. Before being sidelined due to Tommy John surgery, Horton arrived at Oklahoma a local product of Norman High as one of the nation's most heralded recruits in 2020 as a two-way star on the diamond and also as a quarterback.

Why the Cubs took him here: The view of Horton changed dramatically for the better after his strong postseason performance for the Sooners. Teams don't usually draft for need, but it's also true the Cubs system is stronger in position player prospects and weaker in starting pitching prospects (especially in the upper levels). It appears the Cubs were focused on getting a pitcher. -- Schoenfield

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Re: Cubs Draft 2022
« Reply #74 on: July 18, 2022, 07:24:56 am »
Anybody else see a little Kerry Wood in Horton's delivery?
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