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Dave23

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Cubs History
« Reply #495 on: January 08, 2013, 06:01:29 pm »
Yes, Santo was dropped pretty early...

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« Reply #496 on: January 09, 2013, 11:19:22 am »
Tom Verducci was just on with Colin Cowherd.  His take in talking to other writers is that the HOF writers are going to do something along the lines of what I suggested yesterday.  Any player that has suspicion or has been strongly implicated in the steroid mess will NEVER be elected by the writers.  They will let their eligibility expire and leave it to the Veterans Committee, which by then will have some of their contemporaries on it, and these guys have a good idea who was doing what and to what extent and for what reasons, and they will sort out who gets in.

Right or wrong, that's the trend.  He was asked point blank about Big Mac, Sosa, Bonds, Palmeiro...Cowherd went down the whole list, and on each of those he said, "He'll never get in."

Just reporting.

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« Reply #497 on: February 05, 2013, 06:03:11 pm »

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« Reply #498 on: February 18, 2013, 08:04:22 am »
The MLB Network has been showing a program titled The 50 Greatest Finishes in MLB History.   “Finish” was usually, but not always the final at bat.    For some unexplained reason, they kept making the point that only games from 1962 and later were considered as that was when the regular season switched to 162 games.
 
#7 - Luis Gonzalez’ single to win the 2001 World Series for the Diamondbacks.  I’m sorry, but  a HBP followed by a throwing error by the pitcher and a bloop hit 8” onto the outfield grass shouldn’t even make the list.

#4 - Kirk Gibson’s “I don’t believe what I just saw” homer off Dennis Eckersley.

#3 -  Carlton Fisk’s fair or foul homer against Cincinnati.

#2 -  Bill Buckner letting a grounder go through his legs.

#1 -  Joe Carter’s World Series winning home run.

“The Sandberg Game”  might have made it had it been in late September.

The program is worth watching but not by much.  There might be a slight New York Yankees bias to it.

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« Reply #499 on: February 18, 2013, 05:58:30 pm »
Did either the Brant Brown or Adolpho Phillips games make the list?

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« Reply #501 on: February 22, 2013, 12:31:17 pm »
That is cool.   The guy who wrote needs to turn off spell check so his "of" and "off" get fixed, but he needs to contact national media...seeing that comparison might get them to quit with the Bartman shtick or at least ease up a bit.

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« Reply #502 on: March 01, 2013, 01:26:57 pm »
Harry Caray would've been 99 years old today.

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Re: Cubs History
« Reply #503 on: March 01, 2013, 02:05:27 pm »
Holy Cow!

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« Reply #504 on: March 17, 2013, 09:24:33 pm »
Though Curt posted this in the Bleachers topic, it seems more appropriate here.

http://movies.msn.com/movies/article.aspx?news=796515

Obsessed fan who shot player, inspired movie, dies
March 17, 2013, 1:48 PM EST
By DON BABWIN, Associated Press
CHICAGO (AP) — A woman whose shooting of a former Cubs baseball player in 1949 inspired a book and the movie "The Natural" has died.

Find: More on the Eddie Waitkus shooting

Ruth Ann Steinhagen died of natural causes at 83 in late December in Chicago. She had lived more than half a century in obscurity. Her passing was not noticed by the media until three months later.

But in 1949, she made headlines around the country. On June 14 of that year, she lured major league baseball player Eddie Waitkus into a hotel room with a note, then shot him, nearly killing him.

She was declared insane and spent about 2 1/2 years in a mental hospital before she was freed. She quietly lived the rest of her life in Chicago.

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« Reply #505 on: March 22, 2013, 05:09:03 am »
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/blog_article/30000-days-of-ernie-banks/


Thursday, March 21, 2013
30,000 days of Ernie Banks
Posted by Chris Jaffe

30,000 days ago, one of the most famous players of his generation was born: Mr. Cub, Ernie Banks.

Banks had quite the memorable career for himself. Playing at a time when players on second-division teams virtually never won MVP Awards, Banks won two while serving as shortstop for the sad sack Chicago Cubs. Playing at a time when no NL player had ever won back-to-back MVP Awards, Banks did so in 1958-59. And, of course, he broke both traditions at the same time.

It’s fairly easy to see why Banks created such a sensation. Before he reached his prime, no National League shortstop ever had hit 40 homers in a season. Heck, none had ever hit 30, or even 25. Alvin Dark set the standard when he banged out 23 for the Giants in 1953. In 1955, in just his second full season, Banks bonked 44.

Okay, so some AL shortstops had previously hit more than 23 homers in a season before Banks. Even still, there weren’t that many, and only one, Vern Stephens, had ever made it to 30. Now Banks had 44.

Despite missing part of 1956 with injury, he still hit 28 than season. Only Stephens had done that before. Not bad for an injured 25-year-old.

Banks really hit his prime beginning in 1957: 43 homers, then 47, 45, and 41. In 1958 and 1959, he also led the league in RBIs. And he did this while manning the most important defensive position. Heck, he even led the league in fielding percentage in 1959. That helped him win those 1958-59 MVPs.

However, as plenty of THT readers have already noticed, we’re looking solely at the old-school, traditional stats here. That makes sense when explaining the perception of Banks, but ... well, there’s a but. Those old-school stats aren’t as all-important as they once were, and in the modern eye Banks’ big seasons aren’t quite as impressive.

You could call Banks overrated. Wrigley Field is a hitters park, and fielding average is at best a blunt instrument. Also, Banks never was very good at working the count, so his on-base percentage never was all that high. Yeah, you can go that direction.

But even if you do make all those points, Banks was still one of the best players in that era. Let’s look at WAR as our default sabemetric stat. It says he was the second-best player in the 1958 NL (behind only Willie Mays) and the best in 1959. Even when he’s behind Mays, it’s by less than a game, so you can make a nice case for both awards.

With raw numbers as great as his, Banks was a fantastic offense force regardless of park factor. Oh, and by the way, in the late 1950s Wrigley Field was not, in fact, a hitter’s park. It was neutral and if anything leaned a bit toward the pitchers. And WAR agrees with fielding percentage about Banks’ defense, calling him the best-fielding player in the entire NL in 1959.

But all that misses what really makes Banks so special. He wasn’t just a great player but also a great ambassador for the game. He was a sunny, extremely root-for-able player. He took joy in his professional calling. He didn’t just say “Let’s play two!”; he exuded that spirit. No wonder he played in over 700 straight games before a knee injury. In his Historical Baseball Abstract, Bill James called Banks the admirable star of the 1950s. It’s hard to find anyone arguing against that.

Regardless of the numbers, Banks is, by all accounts, a wonderful person, and that person entered this world 30,000 days ago.


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Re: Cubs History
« Reply #506 on: March 22, 2013, 03:33:43 pm »
Great stuff thanks jes

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Re: Cubs History
« Reply #507 on: April 01, 2013, 10:45:19 am »
I've posted this one a few times, but this is a really good film called "King of the Hill" on Ferguson Jenkins and the early 70's Cubs.  Nice one to watch to get ready for Opening Day.

http://www.nfb.ca/film/king_of_the_hill/?hpe=carrousel#temp-share-panel

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« Reply #508 on: April 16, 2013, 10:58:41 am »
Ernie Banks scouting report courtesy of Carrie Muskat


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« Reply #509 on: April 16, 2013, 11:30:18 am »
Wasn't 10K a pretty significant signing bonus in 1953?  My memory is that ten years later signing bonuses of $100K were considered shockingly outrageous, though some prospects (I think I recall a mid-60's Sport magazine article about Mike Epstein signing for $100K, and Yaz signed for 100K) were getting them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_baby
The Bonus Rule was a rule instituted by Major League Baseball in 1947 that prevented teams from assigning certain players to farm clubs.[1] The rule stipulated that when a Major league team signed a player to a contract in excess of $4,000 ($41,100 today), the Major League team was required to keep that player on the 40-man roster for two full-seasons.... 
Bonus babies were the group of amateur baseball players who went straight to the Major Leagues between the years 1947–1965.
Players who received a signing bonus in excess of $4,000 during that era have been identified as 'Bonus Babies'. The Bonus Rule prevented the player from spending time in the Minor League baseball system that was, and is, the training ground for most professional baseball players in the United States of America.