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CUBluejays

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Re: Cubs in '19
« Reply #225 on: October 17, 2018, 09:48:03 am »
I think the Cubs coming off a disappointing season will have some of that edge back next year.  1 WS win and 3 straight NLCS could cause some complacency. 
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« Reply #226 on: October 17, 2018, 10:16:55 am »
Quote from: CUBluejays on October 17, 2018, 09:48:03 am
I think the Cubs coming off a disappointing season will have some of that edge back next year.  1 WS win and 3 straight NLCS could cause some complacency. 

Doug Glanville with a compelling essay on team expectations

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The language the Cubs players used throughout the 2018 campaign and after they were knocked out reflected the highest of expectation. The idea that every year is not just a playoff appearance, a 90-win season, a better-than-last-year achievement. It is a year measured by the singular accomplishment of being a world champion.

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/cubs/glanville-changing-expectations-have-made-it-so-95-wins-not-enough-cubs-world-series
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« Reply #227 on: October 17, 2018, 10:28:50 am »
Its funny to read the Edge comments here... same thing happened for Madden with the Rays. Folks started questioning if the players lost their edge due to the type of atmosphere Madden runs in the club house. where is the sense of urgency?
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« Reply #228 on: October 17, 2018, 10:48:22 am »
You see some at-bats where the guy is fouling off pitch after pitch - even if may be out of strike zone - and then finally getting a hit or walk

And then you see some at-bats (like pitchers) who look like they have no plan when they go up there...

If these guys batted as if their salary depended on it each at-bat - wouldn't we see better offense?
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Re: Cubs in '19
« Reply #229 on: October 17, 2018, 05:25:38 pm »
Quote from: CUBluejays on October 17, 2018, 09:48:03 am
I think the Cubs coming off a disappointing season will have some of that edge back next year.  1 WS win and 3 straight NLCS could cause some complacency. 

One would have hoped the way last year ended would have had that effect, and it didn’t. Why should a repeat have any more impact?

Every baseball move was made for valid reasons. But look at who the Cubs lost, collectively, since the WS: Ross, Lackey, Fowler, Montero, Arrieta. A lot of intensity removed from the equation collectively, and a lot of low-key guys left behind (including the manager). Maybe the mix has gotten a little out of balance now.
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« Reply #230 on: October 17, 2018, 06:18:02 pm »
Losing the division and losing the Wild Card game is a lot different than winning the division and going to the NLCS coming off a World Series win.
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« Reply #231 on: October 17, 2018, 06:30:00 pm »
If you say so.

Rather than depend on that gene somehow kicking in, I’m on board with changing the dynamic externally, as long as it doesn’t compromise the lineup you out on the field.
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« Reply #232 on: October 17, 2018, 06:32:32 pm »
Quote from: CUBluejays on October 15, 2018, 09:59:37 pm
McLeod also interviewed for the Giants GM job.  If they lose him I'd really like to bring Porter back from the DBacks.

I think I read this somewhere else, so it's not my idea...but I don't see that anyone has posted it on this board, so I'll repeat it here.

If McLeod goes to the Giants, he's presumably going to be rebuilding--their championship window is closed. It's probably a given that McLeod will be going somewhere else within the next year or two, so a rebuilding Giants team might not be the worst place for him to land from the Cubs' perspective. His familiarity with the Cubs system could give them the inside track if they wanted to try to trade for Will Smith (very good but not elite LHP who is a free agent after next year, so he's probably a guy who the Cubs could afford in a trade). And if McLeod was one of the believers in Tyler Chatwood, I could see a bad contract swap of Chatwood for Melancon making some sense for both sides.
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« Reply #233 on: October 17, 2018, 07:19:53 pm »
McLeod is the guy I hate to lose, much more so than Hoyer, but I guess it’s inevitable.  He’s overqualified for what he’s doing for the Cubs.
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« Reply #234 on: October 17, 2018, 07:23:29 pm »
The FO has been really good at finding relievers for cheap. I don’t think I’d want to pay the price for Smith.

I’m not sure what I’d want to do with Chatwood, but Melancon is just a softer throwing Kintzler.

Watson might be interesting trade target from though.
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« Reply #235 on: October 17, 2018, 07:42:27 pm »
I just don’t think Smith should cost that much. He’s a pretty equivalent pitcher to Justin Wilson at the time of that trade, but he has a half season less team control. And he doesn’t come with Avila. Wilson really was affordable, so Smith should be too.

Melancon was far better than Kintzler at his peak, and has gotten better results lately. I’m not a huge fan, but he’s a better fit than Chatwood. Other than Zack Cozart, I don’t think there’s another bad contract deal that remotely makes sense.

(I think rebuilding teams and those looking to follow the 2015 Cubs/2018 Braves as surprise contenders should be interested in Chatwood, by the way...so a better solution would be to convince some team of that. But I don’t think that’s likely to happen)
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Re: Cubs in '19
« Reply #236 on: October 17, 2018, 08:20:46 pm »
Melancon is already terrible (1.6 WHIP) and getting worse. I’d sooner try and fix Chatwood.
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« Reply #237 on: October 17, 2018, 08:24:32 pm »
I’m not sure with Posey and MadBum still on the team it will be a full rebuild next year even though they should.

Smith was clearly better than Wilson has ever been last year. 33.8% K% and 7.1% BB%. For a full year that will bring back a top 100ish prospect.

Melancon has been injured the last years and this year was a 17.8% K% and 8.1% BB%. I’d rather turn Chatwood into a reliever than deal with another pitch to contact reliever that struggles with walks.

The Padres have a 40 man roster crunch and crappy starting options for next year. I wonder if you could talk them into Chatwood if you flip them Montgomery or Smyly as well for some guys they would lose in to Rule 5 that could give you some pitching depth. Cubs Insider mentioned doing the same thing with Russell, but I think Tatis will be up soon next year for them.


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« Reply #238 on: October 17, 2018, 09:36:05 pm »
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« Reply #239 on: October 17, 2018, 09:36:44 pm »
Look at Ben's shirt.

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