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Bennett

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Re: Cubs in '19
« Reply #240 on: October 21, 2018, 06:55:34 pm »
Jon Heyman  @JonHeyman   9h9 hours ago

Girardi surprised reds by pulling out Friday. He had a chance to win job at that point but they never got to point of talking money with him. He also pulled out of rangers derby. Industry speculation: he’s waiting a year on Chicago

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« Reply #241 on: October 21, 2018, 07:30:08 pm »
Girardi may be waiting for the Cubs job to open up, but I can't imagine this front office wanting him. There have been rumors that one of the reasons the Cubs may be willing to move on from Maddon is that he just does whatever he wants. I'm sure Girardi would expect that same freedom.

If someone else doesn't hire Brandon Hyde in the next week or two, I would be pretty shocked if he's not the next Cubs manager.

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« Reply #242 on: October 21, 2018, 08:51:43 pm »
I think Hyde would be in contention, but there will be other candidates. Ross if he gets into coaching and the same goes for Derosa. Rocco Baldelli sounds like an interesting coach with the Rays.

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« Reply #243 on: October 21, 2018, 08:52:36 pm »
I agree Hyde would be the favorite, but I'll be surprised if he's not snatched up in the next two weeks.

On Girardi, there are obvious culture fit issues there.  But if Theo decides he wants to do a complete shift from the laid-back Maddon, Girardi does sort of fit the bill.  I think it's pretty clear Theo is tired of celebrity managers, but Girardi isn't that in the same way Maddon is.

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« Reply #244 on: October 21, 2018, 09:03:07 pm »
I don't think one year of coaching will get Ross or DeRosa the job. Outside of Counsell, the track record for guys who didn't spend at least a few years coaching and/or managing in the minors has been pretty bad.

I get that Girardi is a temperament change from Maddon...but they can get a hardass without going to another $5 million/year manager who doesn't feel like he has to listen to the front office.

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« Reply #245 on: October 21, 2018, 09:16:11 pm »
Alex Cora had 1 year as the Astros bench coach. Aaron Boone had no experience. Roberts had all of 4 years as coach, three years as a first base coach and 1 as a bench coach.

I think an experienced bench coach and analytics can limit lack of experience.
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Re: Cubs in '19
« Reply #246 on: October 21, 2018, 09:22:22 pm »
I always liked Mark DeRosa as a player.  But the last I knew, DeRosa is extremely skeptical about modern analytics. I don't think he'll be managing the Cubs.

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« Reply #247 on: October 21, 2018, 09:31:02 pm »
I dont know where any of you have got that Maddon is a dead man walking and that Theo is tired of him.
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Re: Cubs in '19
« Reply #248 on: October 21, 2018, 09:35:49 pm »
I always liked Mark DeRosa as a player.  But the last I knew, DeRosa is extremely skeptical about modern analytics. I don't think he'll be managing the Cubs.

After his Mets interview he acknowledge he had to learn it. I don’t think anybody that wants to manage this n baseball can ignore it anymore.

As far as Madden goes he could get extended or he could get replaced. I think he was the perfect guy to break the 108 year curse and last year was his most difficult. Marrow and Strop’s handling have me concerned.

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Re: Cubs in '19
« Reply #249 on: October 22, 2018, 02:55:10 am »
I don't think one year of coaching will get Ross or DeRosa the job. Outside of Counsell, the track record for guys who didn't spend at least a few years coaching and/or managing in the minors has been pretty bad.

I get that Girardi is a temperament change from Maddon...but they can get a hardass without going to another $5 million/year manager who doesn't feel like he has to listen to the front office.

I don’t think Girardi will get 5 millibar this point, and I don’t see him necessarily as a guy who refuses to listen to the front office. My bigger concern is that he doesn’t seem all that enthusiastic about advanced statistics.

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Re: Cubs in '19
« Reply #250 on: October 22, 2018, 08:25:44 am »
After his Mets interview he acknowledge he had to learn it. I don’t think anybody that wants to manage this n baseball can ignore it anymore.

As far as Madden goes he could get extended or he could get replaced. I think he was the perfect guy to break the 108 year curse and last year was his most difficult. Marrow and Strop’s handling have me concerned.

I don't believe Theo is going to hire someone to manage the Cubs who has (belatedly) decided he needs to learn about analytics.

Others may well be better than I at reading tea leaves, but I see no reason to assume that Theo has soured on Maddon, whatever differences they may have.  It won't surprise me in the least if Maddon is still managing the Cubs after next season.  Perhaps that will depend more than anything on what happens next season.

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« Reply #251 on: October 22, 2018, 08:41:55 am »
I dont know where any of you have got that Maddon is a dead man walking and that Theo is tired of him.
The current discussion was started by Jon Heyman saying that industry speculation has Girardi interested in the job.

One item that may or may not mean anything is that Joe Maddon will be 65 in February.

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« Reply #252 on: October 22, 2018, 11:16:36 am »
I don't believe Theo is going to hire someone to manage the Cubs who has (belatedly) decided he needs to learn about analytics.

Others may well be better than I at reading tea leaves, but I see no reason to assume that Theo has soured on Maddon, whatever differences they may have.  It won't surprise me in the least if Maddon is still managing the Cubs after next season.  Perhaps that will depend more than anything on what happens next season.

I think it could be him more interesting.  One of the bigger problems with analytics is getting it from the nerds in the front office to the players in a way that they can use.  Somebody that came it later and is a former player might be able to put it in a more relatable way for certain types of players.

One of the things that has happened so far this season is the guy in charge of the analytics department Shiraz Rehman taking a lateral move to the Rangers.  Maybe he did it to get a better chance at advancement, but McDaniel and Longerhagen have be taking about how teams use analytics and their are 6 teams that they mentioned (Yanks, Astros, Dodgers amoung them) that are way ahead of the curve.  The Cubs weren't mentioned in that group so I wonder if Rehman left of his own free will or the Cubs are trying to revamp the department.  Being able to do what the Yankees seem to do with ease in add velocity to pitchers that they draft or sign as IFA would be great, or how the Dodgers can take scrubs off the scrap heap and turn them into above average hitters.  I think the analytic department plays a role if identifying those types of players and then major/minor league coaching is able to develop it in a way the Cubs haven't figured out yet.

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Re: Cubs in '19
« Reply #253 on: October 22, 2018, 11:18:55 am »
I have no reason to think that the front office is unhappy with Maddon.  However, if they are, one reason could be that he seems to have abandoned the "shifting" that seemed to be successful previously, and has all but been dumped this past season or so.  I have no idea if the front office has (or wants to) talk to him about it.  However, it is the only thing about Maddon that I can think of that they might not have been aware of at the time they hired him.

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« Reply #254 on: October 22, 2018, 11:41:40 am »
I think it could be him more interesting.  One of the bigger problems with analytics is getting it from the nerds in the front office to the players in a way that they can use.  Somebody that came it later and is a former player might be able to put it in a more relatable way for certain types of players.

One of the things that has happened so far this season is the guy in charge of the analytics department Shiraz Rehman taking a lateral move to the Rangers.  Maybe he did it to get a better chance at advancement, but McDaniel and Longerhagen have be taking about how teams use analytics and their are 6 teams that they mentioned (Yanks, Astros, Dodgers amoung them) that are way ahead of the curve.  The Cubs weren't mentioned in that group so I wonder if Rehman left of his own free will or the Cubs are trying to revamp the department.  Being able to do what the Yankees seem to do with ease in add velocity to pitchers that they draft or sign as IFA would be great, or how the Dodgers can take scrubs off the scrap heap and turn them into above average hitters.  I think the analytic department plays a role if identifying those types of players and then major/minor league coaching is able to develop it in a way the Cubs haven't figured out yet.

That’s interesting.  I know Shiraz (our kids are in school together) but not well enough that I’d have any insights into his professional life. But, I do know that he and his family appear pretty settled here so taking a job that appears to be a lateral move may very well be an indication of his standing with the Cubs.  Who knows, maybe it’s not lateral but from what I have observed from him and his family, they don’t look like people who were unhappy with life in Chicago and wanted out.