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Ron

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Re: Cubs in '19
« Reply #330 on: November 02, 2018, 11:04:48 am »
3.  If the Cubs were to get to the World Series, would they be able to set any records for the older rotation in baseball history?  They are REALLY getting old, older, and oldest.  Memory is shallow, but I can't ever remember a Cubs rotation that was even close to this old-old-old. 

Projected 2019 Starting Rotation for the Cubs on opening day.

Cole Hamels - 35 (birthday in Dec)
Jon Lester - 35 (birthday in Jan)
Yu Darvish - 32 (turns 33 in Aug)
Jose Quintana - 30 (birthday in Jan)
Kyle Hendricks - 28 (birthday in Dec)

Only Hamels & Lester are "old" in any sense, seems to me. 

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« Reply #331 on: November 02, 2018, 11:49:33 am »
The moves are official. The trade is actually Smyly and a PTBNL to the Rangers for a PTBNL. Interesting that there's a PTBNL on both sides.

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« Reply #332 on: November 02, 2018, 12:19:00 pm »
Interesting.  So, basically a salary dump. 

I imagine some possible contingencies on the PTBNL? 
*If SMyly is no good, we give them somebody to offset the million? 
*If Smyly ends up being good, maybe we get a decent prospect in the 15-30 range of the Rangers system? 

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« Reply #333 on: November 02, 2018, 12:28:59 pm »
Interesting.  So, basically a salary dump. 

I imagine some possible contingencies on the PTBNL? 
*If SMyly is no good, we give them somebody to offset the million? 
*If Smyly ends up being good, maybe we get a decent prospect in the 15-30 range of the Rangers system?

With his injury history, its likely a innings # to hit for a good prospect.

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« Reply #334 on: November 02, 2018, 12:35:16 pm »
The Cubs manager in waiting will still be around next year:

Jesse Rogers @ESPNChiCubs
More Cubs news today: Bench coach Brandon Hyde will return to the team in the same role after being a finalist for several managerial openings this off season, per a source.  https://es.pn/2zrtu1I

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« Reply #335 on: November 02, 2018, 12:35:29 pm »
Given this, what was the point in picking up Smyly in the first place?
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« Reply #336 on: November 02, 2018, 12:36:51 pm »
They didnt have Hamels when they picked up smyly. Hamels changed the plan by being a better option.
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« Reply #337 on: November 02, 2018, 12:45:36 pm »
Good point.  Smyly probably requested to be traded if the Cubs were going to pick up Hamels' option, realizing that his chances of cracking the rotation were slim and presumably not wanting to be relegated to the pen.

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« Reply #338 on: November 02, 2018, 12:53:46 pm »
Smyly was used as an asset. 
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craig

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« Reply #339 on: November 02, 2018, 01:03:03 pm »
Given this, what was the point in picking up Smyly in the first place?

How would you answer? 

In hindsight, another of the winter decisions.  Spent $200 million on four post-surgery arms.  The only arm that held up couldn't find the strike zone. 

In some markets, if you flush $180M one winter, and flush another $200 two winters later, you'd get in some trouble.  Theo is probably fortunate to work for a big-market operation that can absorb some unsuccessful decisions. 

I'm not suggesting any were dumb or illogical, they just didn't work.  Who knows, maybe this year Smyly, Chatwood, Morrow, and Darvish will all be very effective and healthy too.  Maybe Kinzler will be a solid workman, too. 
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« Reply #340 on: November 02, 2018, 01:44:04 pm »
Based on my first calculation, the Cubs will have a luxury tax figure of around $227 without bringing in any outside talent.  The luxury tax threshold for 2019 is $206.
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« Reply #341 on: November 02, 2018, 01:44:11 pm »
I think method and Curt are correct.  Smyly was picked up as a potential buy low asset who might fit in the 2019 rotation (or bullpen) depending on how things developed.  As it turns out, there isn't a clear place for Smyly in the rotation and he likely prefers a chance at starting rather than being relegated to the pen.  We'll need to see who the PTBNLs are before we can assess the cost of the Smyly escapade.

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« Reply #342 on: November 02, 2018, 04:16:48 pm »
This is another one where it's hard to know exactly what's going on because we're not in the room.  Is Smyly just a salary dump because they need to control costs?  Saving money for something else?  Did they not see what they wanted in terms of health and don't think he will be effective?  Don't want to start the season without a rotation spot available for him (I don't like this one--pitchers get hurt)?  Texas really wanted Smyly?

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« Reply #343 on: November 02, 2018, 04:42:05 pm »
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Cubs claimed INF Jack Reinheimer off waivers from Mets,
reinstated Yu, Morrow, Hancock and Zagunis off 60-day DL and
outrighted Gore and Freeman. 40-man now at 39

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« Reply #344 on: November 02, 2018, 05:41:54 pm »
I was hoping that with the Cubs having as many players who can cover multiple positions as they do, that they could find a way to keep Terrance Gore.
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