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JeffH

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Re: Cubs in '19
« Reply #465 on: November 07, 2018, 12:32:51 pm »
If the Cubs can't move Chatwood and he doesn't have a place in the starting rotation because the other five are healthy and ready to go, the Cubs have eight "salaried" relievers already, plus an out-of-options Allen Webster.

Chatwood, Tyler
Cishek, Steve
Duensing, Brian
Edwards, Carl Jr.
Kintzler, Brandon
Montgomery, Mike
Morrow, Brandon
Strop, Pedro

There will have to be some creative movement if they want to bring back Chavez and add someone else even on top of that.

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Re: Cubs in '19
« Reply #466 on: November 07, 2018, 12:35:14 pm »
Is Duensing still under contract?  Option or no option, I see Kintzler being released.  Tyler Chatwood may also have to be released and bite the bullet.  He doesn't have the control to be a reliever.  Offer him a spot in Iowa, and if doesn't want it, offer him his walking papers.

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Re: Cubs in '19
« Reply #467 on: November 07, 2018, 12:40:53 pm »
Yes, Brian Duensing is under contract for 2019 at $3.5.

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Re: Cubs in '19
« Reply #468 on: November 07, 2018, 12:41:59 pm »
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Re: Cubs in '19
« Reply #469 on: November 07, 2018, 12:46:00 pm »
Thanks, Jeff.

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Re: Cubs in '19
« Reply #471 on: November 07, 2018, 12:56:10 pm »
heh.  I hear Bosio's available.

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Re: Cubs in '19
« Reply #472 on: November 07, 2018, 01:28:48 pm »
Wow. 

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Re: Cubs in '19
« Reply #473 on: November 07, 2018, 01:30:15 pm »
I know Maddon's an old guy, and maybe tends to pick up old guys that he's had experience with way back when.  But I wonder if they might not want somebody younger, who's trying to climb? 

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Re: Cubs in '19
« Reply #474 on: November 07, 2018, 01:32:16 pm »
Could there be anything performance-based that would justify getting rid of Hickey?  Other than possibly the failure to get Chatwood on track?
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Re: Cubs in '19
« Reply #475 on: November 07, 2018, 01:40:38 pm »
I listened to Jesse Rogers on ESPN 1000 about half an hour ago. He said again that he thinks Hickey is gone--he says the perception is that Hickey doesn't get the best out of pitchers. He's there to pat them on the back and go through the motions, but he's not engaged enough in trying to make pitchers better.

He also mentioned the Cubs are talking to a lot of teams about trades. He mentioned the Marlins and Mariners specifically (though it may be just because those are two teams that are known to be selling off).

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Re: Cubs in '19
« Reply #476 on: November 07, 2018, 01:47:55 pm »
This is really dumb, and I should know this, but what are the contractual obligations to a salaried guy like Chatwood? 

Basically what I'm wondering is whether the Cubs can just plan to send Chatwood to Iowa?  And then only call him up if his Iowa performance justifies doing so?  Or no? 

He's obviously not going to walk away from his salary; and obviously nobody else is going to claim him **if** doing so would obligate them to pay his salary. 

Or if you try to send him to Iowa and Detroit claims him, would they only need to pay minimum, while the Cubs would have to pay the rest of his salary?  In which case sending him down might not be so easy, if you still think there's a chance he'll get fixed? 

If the Cubs can't move Chatwood and he doesn't have a place in the starting rotation because the other five are healthy and ready to go, the Cubs have eight "salaried" relievers already, plus an out-of-options Allen Webster.

Chatwood, Tyler
Cishek, Steve
Duensing, Brian
Edwards, Carl Jr.
Kintzler, Brandon
Montgomery, Mike
Morrow, Brandon
Strop, Pedro

There will have to be some creative movement if they want to bring back Chavez and add someone else even on top of that.


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Re: Cubs in '19
« Reply #477 on: November 07, 2018, 01:54:47 pm »
Craig, this is the passage that applies to sending Chatwood to the minors.

https://www.thecubreporter.com/right-refuse-outright-assignment-or-elect-free-agency-if-outrighted

If the Cubs tried to do that, Chatwood could simply refuse.  If he refused, this paragraph kicks in:

If a player with Article XIX-A rights refuses an Outright Assignment but does not elect free-agency, the club must either retain the player on the club's MLB Reserve List (40-man roster), trade the player, or give the player his unconditional release.

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Re: Cubs in '19
« Reply #478 on: November 07, 2018, 02:03:30 pm »
Perfect, thanks Jeff. 

So, if he declines and the Cubs give him his unconditional release, then the Cubs pay full salary?  So *IF* the Cardinals pick him up and fix him, the Cards would pay minimum, and the the Cubs would pay $24-25/2 instead slighly reduced from the full $26/2?? 

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Re: Cubs in '19
« Reply #479 on: November 07, 2018, 02:04:32 pm »
Yes.