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Re: Cubs in '19
« Reply #540 on: November 09, 2018, 01:23:02 pm »
This would be the worst possible time to trade bryant... his value has never been lower. He's a super two guy going in for a huge raise with shoulder injury concerns.

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Re: Cubs in '19
« Reply #541 on: November 09, 2018, 02:14:13 pm »
I am sure every team is "open" to trading every player on their roster.  The right price might not be feasible but they are open to it...
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« Reply #542 on: November 09, 2018, 02:24:34 pm »
The chances of the Cubs trading Bryant for so small it isn't even funny. 
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Re: Cubs in '19
« Reply #543 on: November 09, 2018, 02:26:10 pm »
I was gonna post last night that they should consider this because KB will not be cheap and I wonder if a team like San Diego would overbid for him. 

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« Reply #544 on: November 09, 2018, 02:32:06 pm »
Theo says nobody is untouchable, standard management-speak.  But says it's almost inconceivable to imagine an offer that would make sense for Rizzo or Bryant.  Both statements can be true. 

Putting the vague Davis quote in a Bryant article is suggestive.  But I'm not sure a national guy like Olney has any clue who was or was not not receptive to Chili'd adjustments.  Kris might have clicked and bought in more than anybody else, who knows?   

Although it is maybe easy to imagine Bryant as one who might not have bought in easily?  Bryant, his father and Mallee have had some thought-out ideas and concepts that have driven their approach, and that have some data to support them, and Bryant is a pretty intelligent, thoughtful guy.  I can well imagine Bryant might have some firm convictions, and be hesitant to necessarily buy into whatever the new coach-of-the-year says.  That said, Bryant started off the year really well, prior to the concussion and the shoulder injury; so perhaps the healthy Bryant bought in with Chili just fine, who knows?

Think Chili's got a fair point, though.  The Cubs don't have any new hitters, they are pretty much all multi-year veterans now.  Think the scouts know all the weaknesses, and that naturally teams have a way to pitch them and defend them now that wasn't as informed early in their careers.  Seems pretty natural that if they aren't able to adjust and punish, that things won't be as good or easy for some of the guys as when the guys were rookies.   

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Re: Cubs in '19
« Reply #545 on: November 09, 2018, 03:04:09 pm »
Another option for bad contract/bad contract swap for Chatwood??

Joel Sherman:

The Blue Jays are willing to eat a portion of the $20 million Russell Martin is owed in 2019 to facilitate a trade. Martin, though, turns 36 in February and is coming off a .194 season. Nevertheless, he still is a patient hitter with some pop who is thought of as a good leader and defender

Martin’s AAV luxury hit is $16.4—about $4 more than Chatwood. His contract ends in 2019. Could figure that $4 is cost of a backup catcher anyway.

Think that Cubs went after Martin some years ago when Martin hit free agency. Of course, not the same guy now. Might be a good tutor for Contreras on framing, etc. Still has plate discipline. Just a thought.

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Re: Cubs in '19
« Reply #546 on: November 09, 2018, 03:28:32 pm »
I don't get the urgency to trade Chatwood for another bad contract.  I thought the whole idea was to trim the payroll?  If the money evens out just keep Chatwood and try to fix him - he has great stuff.

Some twitter buzz that the Cubs are trying to find a taker for Heyward by sweetening with prospects, but I'm highly skeptical.

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« Reply #547 on: November 09, 2018, 03:30:44 pm »
That'd be great.

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Re: Cubs in '19
« Reply #548 on: November 09, 2018, 03:46:31 pm »
With Chatwood, I wonder what his psyche is, his mental toughness? 

We know he's got good stuff.  And we know the Cubs are pretty comfortable going with wild, inconsistent relievers.  And the Cubs think they've got awesome player development, even if that may be self-delusion when it comes to pitchers. 

Why they should maybe keep him:  His stuff is plenty good.  He might thrive as a short reliever, getting used several times a week.  A few tweaks to his delivery, some confidence, and you might have a very, very effective relief arm, capable of going >1 inning.  And *IF* he did get squared away, you might have a very desirable rotation-replacement, if/when injury necessitates.  Also think that obviously nobody is going to claim him and pay him.  So I think you've got a fair chance to send him to Iowa and let him regain his confidence, without needing to waste a roster-spot at the beginning.  (That chance depends on him not refusing to go, which of course he might.  That's partly where his mind-set and psyche and sense of Cub loyalty and trust, or lack thereof, factors.)

Why they shouldn't:  Not many Steve Blass recovery guys.  May think you've "fixed" it, but the second a pitch or two goes wild, that brain might be going "here we go again", and rebuilt confidence can vanish in a second.  So I think it may be much harder to get back to the bad-control Rockies version this second time than it was getting to anti-awful control originally.  He didn't have all these crazy bad memories originally.  Second, he may not have any Cub loyalty and trust.  They had all kinds of ideas to improve him when they got him; major fail.  And they had ideas to help him fix, also failed.  Plus obviously they lost trust in him; so it wouldn't be surprising if he'd see this as the worst place for him to be, and that he'd reject an Iowa assignment. 

Not sure what I think.  I kinda feel like trading him will just lock in a loser contract, and that you aren't really going to offset any signfiicant salary.  And that it might almost be best to give him another shot; that his chance of becoming useful, slim as that chance is, might almost be less slim than the bad-contract you'd need to take on in order to offload him?  If you release him in the spring and eat the contract, not sure that's really going to be any worse than taking on some bad contract and bad player instead. 

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Re: Cubs in '19
« Reply #549 on: November 09, 2018, 03:55:39 pm »
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Just a better understanding regarding Bryant: He’s available because the Cubs believe he eventually won’t re-sign with them. Told there is an effort to deal him. Doesn’t mean it will happen.

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Re: Cubs in '19
« Reply #550 on: November 09, 2018, 04:07:04 pm »
If the Cubs trade Kris Bryant, I believe it will be to Colorado for Nolan Arenado plus.

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Re: Cubs in '19
« Reply #551 on: November 09, 2018, 04:20:02 pm »
If the Cubs trade Kris Bryant, I believe it will be to Colorado for Nolan Arenado plus.

Interesting idea.

Maybe Arenado accepts the Cubs offer that Bryant declined—-and you have a trade with extension. Rockies get a three-year controlled guy (Bryant) for a one-year controlled guy (Arenado). Arenado used to be a Boras guy but switched to another agent, by the way.

Of course, alternatively, instead of a trade now, Cubs just keep Bryant, sign Arenado a year from now for that Bryant-declined money, and then trade two years of Bryant for something else good.

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Re: Cubs in '19
« Reply #552 on: November 09, 2018, 04:45:47 pm »
Arenado in 2018
Home .347/.424/.681 wRC+ 161 ISO .333
Away .248/.325/.447 wRC+ 104 ISO .199

Career
Home .320/.374/.609 wRC+ 129 ISO .290
Away .263/.318/.469 wRC+ 108  ISO .206

Bryant Career
Home .279/.387/.541 wRC+ 148  ISO .262
Away .290/.384/.490  wRC+ 133 ISO .200

I'd have real reservations about Arenado outside of Coors.  I don't think he'd be as bad as his splits, but I don't think he would be anywhere close to an MVP candidate without Coors.  Trading Bryant is dumb.  Theo isn't dumb.  If he won't sign an extension or as a free agent you let him walk when his control is up.


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« Reply #553 on: November 09, 2018, 04:49:22 pm »
Ive been wrong as much or more than anyone here but Ive said before I thought Bryant would end up back in California.

If he indeed dont want to be here the earlier you trade him the more you get for him.


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Re: Cubs in '19
« Reply #554 on: November 09, 2018, 04:52:44 pm »
I don’t think the Cubs will trade Bryant. But contrary to what was noted earlier, if they actually wanted to I think this might be the only time they could. If he was coming off a big season that would be an impossible sell to the fanbase.