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CurtOne

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« Reply #570 on: November 10, 2018, 08:09:24 am »
Theo says to a reporter: Who know where I'll be in two years?  I might get cancer and die.  I might retire altogether.

Next day the media reports: Epstein may have cancer which could force retirement.
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« Reply #571 on: November 10, 2018, 08:52:39 am »
And if they are in the hunt for the World Series you would still tear the team down?

If they don't let their assets walk away without getting good value in return, they will be in the hunt for the World Series every year.  A good example was Arrieta.  I was in favor if trading him the year before he became a free agent.  If they had traded him in the winter after the World Series, they could have gotten a haul that would be adding both offense and pitching to the upcoming years team.

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« Reply #572 on: November 10, 2018, 09:28:17 am »
Is it possible the lack of a Joe Maddon extension is that Theo recognizes the window could close in 2019 if a lot of things go wrong and the cost to keep the core exceeds the value they would get in return? And so they do a mini rebuild in the offseason and think Joe is not the manager (or would want to at his age) for a rebuild.

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« Reply #573 on: November 10, 2018, 09:33:31 am »
Theo says to the media: Nobody’s untouchable, even Bryant.
Media says: Bryant on the block!
Cub fans say: Holy Sh!t!
Cardinal front office says: Let’s offer Wainwright and Cecil.  They fell for it once before.
Hoyer says: Wish I’d gotten that Frisco job.
This board says: We’re getting Arenado!

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« Reply #574 on: November 10, 2018, 10:17:24 am »
First, a Reb return, and now a Jimmer sighting!
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« Reply #575 on: November 10, 2018, 10:48:10 am »
First, a Reb return, and now a Jimmer sighting!

I am sure that is THE Jimmer's grandson.

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« Reply #576 on: November 10, 2018, 11:10:31 am »
Is it possible the lack of a Joe Maddon extension is that Theo recognizes the window could close in 2019 if a lot of things go wrong and the cost to keep the core exceeds the value they would get in return? And so they do a mini rebuild in the offseason and think Joe is not the manager (or would want to at his age) for a rebuild.

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If they don't let their assets walk away without getting good value in return, they will be in the hunt for the World Series every year.  A good example was Arrieta.  I was in favor if trading him the year before he became a free agent.  If they had traded him in the winter after the World Series, they could have gotten a haul that would be adding both offense and pitching to the upcoming years team.

That would have created another hole in the rotation that the Cubs would have had to fill that off season.

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« Reply #577 on: November 10, 2018, 11:28:46 am »
I would rather fill that hole with a middle of the road pitcher for one year, and have strong new assets coming up in following years.  A good front office looks 3 to 5 years down the road, as well as the upcoming season.

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« Reply #578 on: November 10, 2018, 11:59:18 am »
How often do teams like the Yankees, Red Sox, and Dodgers make trades like that? Pretty much never.

Big market, World Series contending teams don't need to weaken this year's team to get players who might help in 3-5 years when the team is not guaranteed to be a contender. They try to win the World Series this year. Future seasons are secondary. Tampa's and Oakland's front offices may need to run that way, but the Cubs should not be looking to marginally improve their farm system by taking a few wins away from the current team.
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« Reply #579 on: November 10, 2018, 03:34:23 pm »
but the Cubs should not be looking to marginally improve their farm system by taking a few wins away from the current team.


You must not think that much of Bryant's value.

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« Reply #580 on: November 10, 2018, 03:35:50 pm »
I'm not talking about Bryant. That whole rumor was silly.

I was referring more to the suggestion that they should've traded Arrieta a year before free agency.

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« Reply #581 on: November 10, 2018, 04:25:35 pm »
The rumor of Harper’s value at the deadline was JB Bustakus, the Astros #15 prospect and a lottery ticket. Bryant might return a little more, but that is what you are looking to get in a Bryant trade at a deadline.

Trade him before that and you’d get more, but it turns the Cubs into what they were this year with an injured Bryant.

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« Reply #582 on: November 10, 2018, 04:55:00 pm »
The rumor of Harper’s value at the deadline was JB Bustakus, the Astros #15 prospect and a lottery ticket. Bryant might return a little more, but that is what you are looking to get in a Bryant trade at a deadline.

Why only a little more? Harper would've been a three-month rental.

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« Reply #583 on: November 10, 2018, 05:06:45 pm »
I mentioned at the deadline.

Do people really think that a team like the Blue Jays is going to trade Vald Jr for him?

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« Reply #584 on: November 10, 2018, 05:17:52 pm »
At the deadline, the Cubs will still control Bryant for 2 1/2 more years. He'd be much, much more valuable than Harper.

The control the Cubs have left is the biggest reason the rumors were ridiculous from the start, though. The idea that the Cubs were shopping Bryant primarily because they were worried he wouldn't sign an extension in three years (at least I think that was the reasoning Olney or someone else presented) is ludicrous.