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« Reply #645 on: November 13, 2018, 11:34:24 pm »
If you think that the Harper situation is irrelevant to the Cubs long-term thinking about Bryant, think you are wrong about that.

It would very hard for Cubs to be better by trading Bryant. Totally agree with you on that. But, Theo thinks Big Picture and I think he doesn't want to get to Nats situation of today, if he can avoid it. Every club, of course, has a different context but there may be ways to address this,who knows. One reason why Arenado's pending FA is interesting. Sign another terrific (albeit lesser) 3B than Bryant and trade Bryant a year from now for good stuff.  Or, Theo being far more creative and knowledgeable than either you or me--do something else that didn't occur to us, at some point. And, you can encourage offers this off-season that might be more realistic a year from now. Or, two. Could be a long-term process.

As to Correa, if Astros do with Correa what Buster says Cubs are doing with Bryant, you'll want to hear about it--or at least Astros fans will want to hear about it.   

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« Reply #646 on: November 13, 2018, 11:37:18 pm »
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Just a thought: maybe this stuff got out there because the Cubs wanted Bryant to hear it.

This was my first thought when I heard about it.  One percent chance that they trade Bryant seems about right.

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« Reply #647 on: November 14, 2018, 12:00:55 am »
The Nats situation wouldn’t be much better off if the traded Harper at the deadline.  The Nats for all the doom and gloom still have a talented roster with Soto, Turner, Max, Strasberg and Rendon. Losing Harper hurts, but they still aren’t gutting their team.

Reb

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« Reply #648 on: November 14, 2018, 12:19:33 am »
The Nats situation wouldn’t be much better off if the traded Harper at the deadline.  The Nats for all the doom and gloom still have a talented roster with Soto, Turner, Max, Strasberg and Rendon. Losing Harper hurts, but they still aren’t gutting their team.

Agree with all of that.

But, Nats are now in a situation where Harper is very likely gone and the compensation is limited. They will still have a very good OF, in part because they traded for Eaton when he became available. And, of course, Soto developed faster (and better) than anticipated. They will be fine. But, it will be kind of a bummer going to Nats games and not getting to see Harper play.  Saw one of his first games at Nats Park and have seen several amazing long home runs over the years. Think it will take something out of the fan base in the short-term.

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« Reply #649 on: November 14, 2018, 07:30:20 am »
Perhaps the message to Bryant is that we can add Harper and keep you long term only if you agree to an extension now/soon. 

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« Reply #650 on: November 14, 2018, 01:10:00 pm »
https://thebiglead.com/2018/11/14/buster-olney-espn-kris-bryant-mlb-pitcher-limits/

The Bryant stuff starts right at the beginning.  His story is described as the sense of other teams.

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« Reply #651 on: November 14, 2018, 02:26:53 pm »
Yeah, clubs got a sense about Cubs and Bryant because of what Cubs SAID to them. Actual words that convey a plain meaning.

According to Buster, Cubs said: “if you’re interested in making an offer on Kris Bryant, we’re all ears.”

If somebody said exactly that to you about something they owned, say, a car, wouldn’t you have a rational “sense“ that they are ready to discuss selling you their car? Think you would, no? It’s not some kind of subjective sense but rather is based on the plain meaning of what they told you.

By the way, did you find what Buster said about Bryant credible?—-and thanks for posting the interview as it was interesting on other points too.

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« Reply #652 on: November 14, 2018, 02:35:19 pm »
Love the four pitchers limit idea.

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« Reply #653 on: November 14, 2018, 02:42:55 pm »
If you are a GM, and you're not listening to every offer made by any other GM for any player in your system, you're not doing your job worth a damn...regardless of how seriously you entertain the offer.
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« Reply #654 on: November 14, 2018, 02:46:22 pm »
For sure, Dave.  But somehow I don't anticipate the Cubs are going around to teams saying
“if you’re interested in making an offer on Javier Baez, we’re all ears.”  Same for Rizzo. 
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« Reply #655 on: November 14, 2018, 02:54:28 pm »
For sure, Dave.  But somehow I don't anticipate the Cubs are going around to teams saying
“if you’re interested in making an offer on Javier Baez, we’re all ears.”  Same for Rizzo. 

Yes, exactly.

A year ago, same for Bryant. That’s why Buster’s story is newsworthy. There’s a change from before.

And, still newsworthy even though likelihood of a trade is very low.

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« Reply #656 on: November 14, 2018, 02:54:39 pm »
But how do we know they aren't?

Just as one man's trash may be another man's treasure...one man's treasure could be another man's grail.

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« Reply #657 on: November 14, 2018, 04:14:51 pm »
I'm not as concerned about the Cubs trading Bryant as I am about what the Cardinals may do this offseason.    Trading for Goldschmidt, signing Donaldson for 3rd, and even overreaching and signing Harper would make them very very formidable. 

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« Reply #658 on: November 14, 2018, 04:22:26 pm »
Yeah, clubs got a sense about Cubs and Bryant because of what Cubs SAID to them. Actual words that convey a plain meaning.

So Buster's story was entirely about the perception of a nuanced conversation for someone that is removed from the direct conservation by at least 1 person, possibly more.  This story is a nothing and people playing it up are being ridiculous.  Mr anti-rumor sure has changed.

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« Reply #659 on: November 14, 2018, 04:29:51 pm »
Takes a lot of guts to rip Buster for this considering that even if his sources are legit, it’s still overwhelmingly likely Bryant won’t be traded and the peanut gallery can just cackle about how they were right and he was wrong.