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Reb

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« Reply #661 on: November 14, 2018, 05:27:11 pm »
So Buster's story was entirely about the perception of a nuanced conversation for someone that is removed from the direct conservation by at least 1 person, possibly more.  This story is a nothing and people playing it up are being ridiculous.  Mr anti-rumor sure has changed.

It's called journalism.  You get a information from a reliable source(s) and report it accurately.  That's what happened.

Because it is sourced, it is not a "rumor."  Definition of rumor according to Websters:  a report "disseminated with no discernible source."  Are you saying Buster made this up without a source?  Do you think Buster is credible? 

The only ones "playing it up" are those who misrepresent the story and/or who don't care to understand how journalists do their work. 

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« Reply #662 on: November 14, 2018, 06:24:59 pm »
"I do not believe Kris Bryant will resign with the Cubs after 2021."--Dave Kaplan

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« Reply #663 on: November 14, 2018, 06:40:54 pm »
You know what I haven’t missed, definitions. I’ll inform MLB Trade Rumors that they should rename their site to MLB Trade Journalism.

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« Reply #664 on: November 14, 2018, 06:48:02 pm »
Believe me, if MLBTR had no links and posted up nothing but unsubstantiated rumors from unknown non-journalists, the site would have disappeared long ago. On the contrary, the core of what they do is linking to, and summarizing, well-sourced journalists.

That’s why you read it.

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« Reply #665 on: November 14, 2018, 10:25:39 pm »
I have to say that as Olney has become more specific about the way the Cubs have reportedly spoken about Bryant, it certainly does appear that there has been a change in their attitude.  I was skeptical initially, but not any more. It is interesting even though I don't think anyone expects anything to be done this year.

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« Reply #666 on: November 15, 2018, 12:37:24 am »
Ron, I truly believe this is out there because the Cubs wanted Bryant to hear it, not because they seriously expect to deal him.  Either they weren't 100% sold on his rehab habits or (more likely) they want him to understand that if he plays hardball on an extension, they're under no obligation to see that he completes his pre-FA years as a Cub.

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« Reply #667 on: November 15, 2018, 09:55:10 am »
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Ron, I truly believe this is out there because the Cubs wanted Bryant to hear it, not because they seriously expect to deal him.  Either they weren't 100% sold on his rehab habits or (more likely) they want him to understand that if he plays hardball on an extension, they're under no obligation to see that he completes his pre-FA years as a Cub.

This is where I am.  It's the last bit.

It will be disappointing if hard feelings over the extra stay in Iowa (something every club would have done) ultimately leads to KB being traded.  It won't be this year, but it could happen.

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« Reply #668 on: November 15, 2018, 12:43:31 pm »
I think Onley heard what he heard, but I'm not convinced that it is any sort of change in the Cubs stance. 

Since this came from other teams, I'm not sure how the Cubs are the ones wanting Bryant to hear it.  It would require Theo picking a team (s), saying sure we are  open to trading Bryant and we really want offers on him and then hoping that team leaks it to a reporter that runs with the story.  It all seems convoluted to me.  If the Cubs wanted it leaked, somebody would have mentioned it to Kaplan and he would have run with it.

As far as trading Bryant goes I've yet to hear a proposal that makes the Cubs a better team and saves them money.  In your World Series window you aren't trading your best player for prospects.  If you trade him for another major leaguer, the list of players that improves the Cubs is basically Trout and Betts.  I doubt either guy is getting traded.  For an equal value everyday player, most are going to be older and more expensive. 

The Cubs knew that when they took Bryant he was repped by Boras and the chances where high that he was going to test free agency no matter what.  The Cubs will have the option of bidding for him like everybody else and will have a nice TV contract and only Darvish and Heyward under contract.  The Cubs will have to make some decisions in 2022 as to what direction they go with Bryant, Rizzo, Baez, Schwarber, Russell and Theo becoming free agents. 

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« Reply #669 on: November 15, 2018, 12:59:56 pm »

....Since this came from other teams, I'm not sure how the Cubs are the ones wanting Bryant to hear it.  It would require Theo picking a team (s), saying sure we are  open to trading Bryant and we really want offers on him and then hoping that team leaks it to a reporter that runs with the story.  It all seems convoluted to me.  If the Cubs wanted it leaked, somebody would have mentioned it to Kaplan and he would have run with it...l

Yes, totally agree with CBJ on that. Just too convoluted. Indeed, the local Chicago writers have mostly soft-peddled the Buster story—which wouldn’t be the case if Cubs were trying to send a message.

Also, to try to influence Bryant to sign and extend this way—-way too clumsy a method for a sophisticated operation that Theo runs. Cubs might believe that Boras/Bryant are going to change course this way? Don’t see that. Ham-handed. They know it wouldn’t work.

 
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Re: Cubs in '19
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« Reply #671 on: November 15, 2018, 04:39:35 pm »
Olney talked about the Cubs on his podcast and Jesse Rogers responded.

Olney said the are Cubs are “boxed in” with their payroll. Rogers says “I would not have said that 6-8 weeks ago as the season ended. I thought for sure they’d be in on the Bryce Harper sweepstakes and making some other changes. But I think the rhetoric changed once the front office got its budget. I think ownership drew a line.”

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« Reply #672 on: November 15, 2018, 05:35:01 pm »
Sharma with another fine article. This one is on shifting lineups and playing time.

https://theathletic.com/655689/2018/11/15/are-joe-maddons-lineups-a-problem-for-the-cubs-or-the-main-reason-they-won-95-games-in-a-down-season/

Olney talked about the Cubs on his podcast and Jesse Rogers responded.

Olney said the are Cubs are “boxed in” with their payroll. Rogers says “I would not have said that 6-8 weeks ago as the season ended. I thought for sure they’d be in on the Bryce Harper sweepstakes and making some other changes. But I think the rhetoric changed once the front office got its budget. I think ownership drew a line.”

The way the media is reporting, it's looking more and more that they'll go into the season with the same dysfunctional mix of position players they've had the last two years. If this is the way they go, I think we're going to see them take a big step back in 2019.

I think the worst case scenario is that they have just enough money to make one medium-sized move and they decide to double down on their current versatility model by signing Marwin Gonzalez. All he does is add another hitter to the mix who has many of the same flaws that half the lineup already has.

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« Reply #673 on: November 15, 2018, 05:40:53 pm »
Javy finishes second in the MVP, and gets the one first place vote that didn’t go to Yelich.  The result was obviously a fait acompli and no reasonable person could argue with it based on the way Yelich finished the season.  Still, it’s a great day for Javy and it’s a real vindication for everyone who believed in him while the skeptics were writing him off.

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« Reply #674 on: November 15, 2018, 06:01:54 pm »
The way the media is reporting, it's looking more and more that they'll go into the season with the same dysfunctional mix of position players they've had the last two years. If this is the way they go, I think we're going to see them take a big step back in 2019.

I think the worst case scenario is that they have just enough money to make one medium-sized move and they decide to double down on their current versatility model by signing Marwin Gonzalez. All he does is add another hitter to the mix who has many of the same flaws that half the lineup already has.

What I don’t understand is if the budget is tight why would you pick up the $20 million option on Hemels. I like Hamels, but I think there would be more impact adding Harper for an extra $10 million.