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Re: Cubs in '19
« Reply #1200 on: December 19, 2018, 06:25:46 pm »
People do tend to mature with age.

I was the definition of deadbeat pos in my 20s and with the help of a good wife I now live a very fruitful and productive life.

If anything Im the over protective father now.

I also learned the jaded ex baby momma lesson.

She loved me when I was a pos but when I got married and got my **** in order I became public enemy #1.

Oh yeah and I havent missed a child support payment since we went to court,I call my daughter every day,and she gets every dime of my income tax but Im suddenly a sorry bastard for moving on.

Im certain a few here feel my pain.

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Re: Cubs in '19
« Reply #1201 on: December 19, 2018, 06:29:49 pm »
So, Cubs news in the last month:

  • Refused to release confessed serial abuser
  • Owner compared himself to a slave because he had to deal with unions
  • News broke that the team had threatened to leave the city over not getting enough tax breaks
  • Apparently agreed to partner with a media company which every day does its best to destroy independent local journalism in America
More and more it really feels like 2016 was the result of a pact with the devil.
At least we had that one glorious week...


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Re: Cubs in '19
« Reply #1202 on: December 19, 2018, 06:58:15 pm »

So your answer is quoting stats and chalking up Russell's atrocious conduct to "immaturity" and "presuming" (your word, not mine) it isn't going to happen again?  Why - because abusers and deadbeat dads have a good track record of growing out of it?

It’s not a matter of “immaturity” (a word I didn’t use) and “presumably” referred clearly to payment in coins from three years ago, not the spousal abuse.

Cubs, to this point, are taking a nuanced position on this: condemning the bad conduct and supporting the punishment while, at the same time, offering Russell an opportunity with conditions for Russell’s future behavior. We’ll see how long that lasts, but I think that’s an approach worth supporting for now.

That kind of nuance and ambiguity is going to be uncomfortable for some. I get that. But, folks who actually run an enterprise, a business, a sports operation, etc. deal with balances of interests all the time—at least those who run a quality operation.

Would not surprise me if Cubs cut bait at some point. That might include having a viable on-field replacement for Russell: it’s part of those balance of interests referred to above. So might be placing Russell in a better situation for him, if it comes to that. In an ideal baseball world, Russell changes his ways, off the field, in this rehabilitative process AND plays well for the Cubs. Seems reasonable to give that a go and see what happens.
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Re: Cubs in '19
« Reply #1203 on: December 19, 2018, 07:12:02 pm »
Two years, $5 million for Descalso with a $3.5 million option for 2021.

Ugh.  I wouldn't like the idea of the Cubs wasting a roster spot on this guy even if he paid league minimum to be with the Cubs.
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Re: Cubs in '19
« Reply #1204 on: December 19, 2018, 07:15:11 pm »
Cubs supposedly signed Allan Webster to a minor league deal.

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« Reply #1205 on: December 19, 2018, 07:39:11 pm »
It’s not a matter of “immaturity” (a word I didn’t use) and “presumably” referred clearly to payment in coins from three years ago, not the spousal abuse.

Cubs, to this point, are taking a nuanced position on this: condemning the bad conduct and supporting the punishment while, at the same time, offering Russell an opportunity with conditions for Russell’s future behavior. We’ll see how long that lasts, but I think that’s an approach worth supporting for now.

That kind of nuance and ambiguity is going to be uncomfortable for some. I get that. But, folks who actually run an enterprise, a business, a sports operation, etc. deal with balances of interests all the time—at least those who run a quality operation.

Would not surprise me if Cubs cut bait at some point. That might include having a viable on-field replacement for Russell: it’s part of those balance of interests referred to above. So might be placing Russell in a better situation for him, if it comes to that. In an ideal baseball world, Russell changes his ways, off the field, in this rehabilitative process AND plays well for the Cubs. Seems reasonable to give that a go and see what happens.

Seems reasonable to you, clearly.  Your condescension towards anyone feeling differently positively jumps off the page.
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Re: Cubs in '19
« Reply #1206 on: December 19, 2018, 07:43:45 pm »
It’s absolutely stunning to me that you don’t realize you’re describing yourself
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Re: Cubs in '19
« Reply #1207 on: December 19, 2018, 08:10:11 pm »
It’s absolutely stunning to me that you don’t realize you’re describing yourself

As long as you have been around here, and that still surprises you?

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Re: Cubs in '19
« Reply #1208 on: December 19, 2018, 08:10:43 pm »
So, Cubs news in the last month:

  • Refused to release confessed serial abuser
  • Owner compared himself to a slave because he had to deal with unions
  • News broke that the team had threatened to leave the city over not getting enough tax breaks
  • Apparently agreed to partner with a media company which every day does its best to destroy independent local journalism in America

   
  • Refused to release confessed serial abuser

Wrong.  Russell did NOT confess to being a "serial abuser."

   
  • Owner compared himself to a slave because he had to deal with unions
  • News broke that the team had threatened to leave the city over not getting enough tax breaks

Wrong.  As others have pointed out, this was five years ago.

   
  • Apparently agreed to partner with a media company which every day does its best to destroy independent local journalism in America

Wrong.  Sinclair not only does not destroy independent local journalism, it supports it.

I really have no idea what you were talking about with the second item on that list, but considering each of the others were wrong, a safe bet would be that the second item also is.
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Re: Cubs in '19
« Reply #1209 on: December 19, 2018, 08:38:22 pm »
(I watched the Brewers get rich on my tax money)

I am by no means excusing taxpayer subsidies of ANY business, but I am guessing that YOUR contribution to the Brewers getting rich was not a particularly significant part.


Being offended by the politics of the right wing portion of the Ricketts family led one member of the board to conclude that the primary interest of the family in taking over ownership of the Cubs was a business decision, and that their greed would prevent them from investing heavily in the team. Well, that clearly turned out not to be the case. So, I'd suggest we take care about repeating this mistake.

Well, it never really appeared more than one member of the board was making that mistake.

They're giving $4 million (or more) to a defense-only shortstop who is an admitted domestic abuser.

Russell never made such an admission.  And in fact his wife never actually made that allegation.

Even assuming that were true, that would still mean you were OK with making assloads of money for a despicable company that's actively trying to destroy American journalism in the name of their owner's political agenda.

Sinclair has not been making any effort to destroy American journalism.

Russell has a penalty to serve for his outrageously uncivil and, indeed, misdemeanor criminal conduct, toward his former spouse.

I have not read her latest comments, but I did carefully look at all of her prior comments, as well as all of those by Russell, and concluding from that that Russell is guilty of criminal conduct is a bit of a stretch.

Assuming every word of her prior statements was true, and assuming it was introduced into evidence without ANY cross-examination to challenge her, and the Russell offered no testimony of his own, the case would never even make it to the jury.  Her allegations simply did not reach the level of claiming criminal conduct.  Again, I am not even looking at proof or evidence but strictly the allegations and taking them as 100% accurate.


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Re: Cubs in '19
« Reply #1210 on: December 19, 2018, 08:55:02 pm »
I have a question for those who would have declined to tender Russell a contract offer.

What would you have done if, instead of Russell, it had been Bryant about whom these revelations had surfaced?

Now, I have a second question that may wind up being related to the first question.

If you were able to trade Russell (or Bryant in my hypothetical) to another team for meaningful value, would you consider that morally/ethically acceptable?

I'm not trying to pick a fight.  I'm genuinely interested in your answers.  Thank you.

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« Reply #1211 on: December 19, 2018, 08:59:13 pm »
Ive said this from day 1.

They would have been much quicker to forgive a "better" player.
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Re: Cubs in '19
« Reply #1212 on: December 19, 2018, 09:05:31 pm »
As long as you have been around here, and that still surprises you?

Touché

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Re: Cubs in '19
« Reply #1213 on: December 19, 2018, 09:10:08 pm »
I have a question for those who would have declined to tender Russell a contract offer.

What would you have done if, instead of Russell, it had been Bryant about whom these revelations had surfaced?

Now, I have a second question that may wind up being related to the first question.

If you were able to trade Russell (or Bryant in my hypothetical) to another team for meaningful value, would you consider that morally/ethically acceptable?

I'm not trying to pick a fight.  I'm genuinely interested in your answers.  Thank you.

You want to know how they'd feel?

Go back to November of 16.

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Re: Cubs in '19
« Reply #1214 on: December 19, 2018, 09:23:57 pm »
I have a question for those who would have declined to tender Russell a contract offer.

What would you have done if, instead of Russell, it had been Bryant about whom these revelations had surfaced?

Now, I have a second question that may wind up being related to the first question.

If you were able to trade Russell (or Bryant in my hypothetical) to another team for meaningful value, would you consider that morally/ethically acceptable?

I'm not trying to pick a fight.  I'm genuinely interested in your answers.  Thank you.

I will haunt your family for eternity if this happens, but I’d want Bryant off the team.

Removing Russell from the Cubs is the goal, so if it brings back value all the better.

That said, Russell being on the team isn’t going to diminish my joy of watching the Cubs. Just like Chapman didn’t ruin 2016 for me. I am interested what Theo is talking about attempting with domestic violence and the Cubs. If Russell remains with the Cubs I think it should be the responsibility of all Cubs fans to hold the Cubs accountable for actually doing something and it not just be lip service.