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Re: Cubs in '19
« Reply #4545 on: September 30, 2019, 10:19:18 am »
Twins hired rookie Rocco Baldelli as their manager.  He's been great.  Really smart, nice, articulate, saber-smart, straightforward, sincere, honest, etc.. 

Obviously the Cubs don't have the Twins talent and no manager is going to show up and win >100 games like Baldelli did. 

I just mention him as a rookie who showed up and was immediately terrific.  So I think the qualities the guy brings is more important than experience or lack thereof.  I'm fine with a rookie manager, *IF* he's got the right attributes. 

Can the Cubs move to the AL Central, because I think that would fix a lot of their problems if the got to play 57 (41-16) games against teams with a combined -635 run differential.   Against the bottom 7 teams in run differential the Twins where 54-19.  The Cubs where 23-11. 


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Re: Cubs in '19
« Reply #4546 on: September 30, 2019, 10:33:42 am »
It is true that the Cardinals have followed the Branch Rickey precept that it is much better to trade your stars a year too soon than a year too late.  And it is also true that they have been perfectly willing to trade their better players, such as Freese, Pham and numerous others in order to balance their team.  But they have also firmly held on to those players that they considered to be the core of the team.  Pujols remained through the prime of his career, as has Molina, Carpenter and Wainwright.  The same held true for Holliday, and almost certainly will with Goldschmidt.  There are stars that can be traded, and their are stars that should be kept.

On the Cubs, I believe that core of the current team is Rizzo, Baez, Contreras and Hendricks.  The rest, such as Bryant, Schwarber, Caritini and Heyward can and should be moved to better balance the team, as well as procure and provide young players as future replacements.

Managers are like sweat sox.  It can be refreshing to change them every once in a while, but if you keep them too long, they will eventually stink.
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Re: Cubs in '19
« Reply #4547 on: September 30, 2019, 12:11:46 pm »
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Winning the World Series created the new curse.  I read it here on the board often.  “Hey, we’re winning, stop complaining.”  “We won a World Series, relax.”  “ In the playoffs, 4 straight years.”  “This is so much better than the past 100 years.”

I don’t really disagree with any of those view points, but whenever I saw truly real Cub fans like Ben and Ron and others post those thoughts, I respected their love for the Cubbies, but I still cringed.  To me, that just sounded like “Wait til next year” in a different form and tenor.

YES!  If you complained about their performance you were told by some on this board that you are not a fan and you didn't follow them pre 2016...

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Re: Cubs in '19
« Reply #4548 on: September 30, 2019, 04:33:50 pm »
Winning the World Series created the new curse.  I read it here on the board often.  “Hey, we’re winning, stop complaining.”  “We won a World Series, relax.”  “ In the playoffs, 4 straight years.”  “This is so much better than the past 100 years.”

I don’t really disagree with any of those view points, but whenever I saw truly real Cub fans like Ben and Ron and others post those thoughts, I respected their love for the Cubbies, but I still cringed.  To me, that just sounded like “Wait til next year” in a different form and tenor.  In his first two years, Joe had the guys loose, relaxed and having fun.  His style made them forget about the pressure of winning, and it’s what the kids needed.

Joe’s biggest error was in 2017.  Remember?  The team got off to a bad start, and Joe publicly stated that he didn’t want to put a lot of “we have to repeat” pressure on the team, and even though the team rallied to finish fairly strong, it fell short.

Rizzo says that Joe was like a Dad to them.  I believe him.  Unfortunately they all became his sons, people that he hated to be critical of.   We all loved them; we being the fans and the front office.  We tried to keep Fowler, just couldn’t.  We tried to keep Arrieta, but couldn’t justify the salary.  And when we needed to trade some people to juggle the team, we couldn’t.  We loved these guys. 

Since I live in Cardinal country, I saw their team operate differently.  David Freese was their hometown World Series hero, but in the next couple years when he didn’t produce, he was traded.  Last year they traded several popular youngsters for Goldschmidt.  There is a paradox with the fandom here.  They are very faithful to their players, but they’re okay with almost any trade.  Except, of course, with the addition of Fowler.  They still hate him.

I think Theocracy was trying to build a team that would dominate for years, but just struggled to make some moves because of an allegiance to the guys who ended the “curse.”  Totally understand that.  But Branch Rickey probably wouldn’t.  He would have traded his mother if it meant a championship.

Anyhow, Joe is gone.  Great manager.  I think some of our heroes will be dispersed this winter.  Time will tell if we are rebuilding or reloading.  Hope it’s the latter.


Well said (I meant to "agree" with it, LOL).

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Re: Cubs in '19
« Reply #4549 on: September 30, 2019, 05:39:36 pm »
Obviously the Cubs don't have the Twins talent and no manager is going to show up and win >100 games like Baldelli did. 

Didn't Aaron Boone show up and win 100 and 103 without any managerial experience? It really helps to have talent.

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Re: Cubs in '19
« Reply #4550 on: May 02, 2020, 01:54:02 pm »
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Re: Cubs in '19
« Reply #4551 on: May 02, 2020, 02:42:54 pm »
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