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Jack Birdbath

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #2430 on: June 29, 2020, 12:11:46 pm »
Non-40 man roster guys don't get paid anything extra for being on the 60 man list.

What about the cost of housing them in Chicago or South Bend? What are the guys who are not on the list doing during the season? 

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« Reply #2431 on: June 29, 2020, 01:24:41 pm »
The Minch account is pretty disappointing.  A guy maybe near the end of his pro baseball career, with some other job opportunities.... I think getting an honest and accurate input as to whether or not he should take them is pretty appropriate.  Having some dope in the front office giving him input that wasn't accurate seems really irresponsible and blameworthy. 

I think the Cubs have generally had a reputation for treating their players really well, if anything perhaps coddling and spoiling them to some degree.  Sounds like somebody blew it pretty badly on this one. 

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« Reply #2432 on: June 29, 2020, 01:46:55 pm »
Minch's underlying numbers aren't bad and he had a 60% LOB% throwing off his ERA.  He isn't a for sure major leaguer, but I think with his velocity he's worth having around.

Alzolay just liked his tweet as well, so definitely not a good look for the Cubs.
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« Reply #2433 on: June 29, 2020, 02:02:50 pm »
One reply to Minch's tirade mentioned the fact that the Cubs still had 10 slots to play with, and suggested that perhaps Minch was shooting himself in the foot, so to speak.

Minch's reply implied that he and the Cubs had already discussed that, and that the Cubs were saving those 10 vacant spots for possible guys who were released from other teams.

Minch is from Purdue, and he also mentioned that he had been a Cubs fan all of his life, so that makes it that much more disappointing for him, I'm sure...

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« Reply #2434 on: June 29, 2020, 02:10:23 pm »
If they were debating on him based on attitude and humility, he not only shot himself in the foot, but he unloaded the clip into various other parts of his body.

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« Reply #2435 on: June 29, 2020, 02:18:03 pm »
You just never know, though...Tommy Lasorda had a nice long career with the Dodgers...even after his remarks about Koufax and the team's decision to go with him over Lasorda...

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« Reply #2436 on: June 29, 2020, 02:33:28 pm »
Saving 10 spots to pick up guys released by other teams, that seems kinda many, but might be a clever way to add some players to the Cubs weak system.  Not sure it's smart, but not sure it's dumb either. 

Nor sure Minch might not have been an interesting guy to place on the taxi, but I also can appreciate that some other guys might say the same thing.  Not sure I'm faulting that particular Cubs decision. 

But *IF* Minch's story is true, and I assume it probably is, because why would he fabricate something like that for no reason, I've got to fault somebody in the Cubs organization for miscommunicating.  I realize there might be some communication error on Minch's part:  maybe some guy says "well, I'd recommend not committing to that job offer.  I can't promise you anything, and I don't make those decisions, that's Jed and Theo's decision not mine; but I think there's probably a chance that you might be placed on the 60, so if it was me I'd probably try to keep myself available if possible.  but I'm not promising or anything...".  And then Minch comes out of a very well-cautioned communication saying "Heh, the guy said I'll be on the taxi squad!" when no such thing was even remotely communicated. 

But if Jed said "you'll be on it", and then he didn't actually put him on, that's really a big-time failure on Jed's part.  Or if McLeod or somebody lower down the chain, somebody who had no authority to decide who is or isn't on, and who obviously was wrong in suggesting that he would be on, if somebody like that said "you'll be on it", then that person is really a turkey and pulled a bit-time fail in making promises or assurances that he had no authority or accuracy to make.  That's really a failure within the administrative branch. 

Unfortunately I think McLeod and the guys in his departments have made a whole lot of goofups over his years of leadership.  It's perhaps not totally shocking that some guy made yet another. 

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« Reply #2437 on: June 29, 2020, 02:45:12 pm »
What about the cost of housing them in Chicago or South Bend? What are the guys who are not on the list doing during the season? 

They might get food prepared for them at South Bend.  During a regular minor league season guys are usually sleeping multiple guys in an apartment, I doubt they are getting a housing allowance.

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #2438 on: June 29, 2020, 03:17:14 pm »
You just never know, though...Tommy Lasorda had a nice long career with the Dodgers...even after his remarks about Koufax and the team's decision to go with him over Lasorda...
Minch ain't no Koufax.  Hell, I don't think he's even Lasorda.

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #2439 on: June 29, 2020, 03:47:18 pm »
Totally get why Minch would be upset getting left off taxi squad. A tough go for a guy like this: 35th round pick, 7th year as a pro and one appearance above AA, kind of on the verge. Not making any money as he nears age 27. Guys like this are at the mercy of the club and can get jerked around.

But, at the other end, his tweet in quote marks is that he was told he was “penciled in” for taxi squad......and that’s not really a firm commitment by Cubs. Don’t want to get hyper technical but Websters says it means:  “to put (someone or something that may be changed later) on a schedule, list, etc.”

So, maybe Cubs were playing with words or maybe Minch didn’t check Websters and relied more than he should have, but would be nice if Theo reached out to Minch in some way. I guess that’s why there’s minor league free agency after 6 full seasons. Hope that Minch sticks with it and gets a good shot somewhere, eventually.

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #2440 on: June 29, 2020, 04:57:27 pm »
My buddy's kid, Matt Cronin (who the Cubs tried to lowball as an underslot 3rd rounder before ultimately selecting Michael McAvene) made the Nationals roster.  Both Cronin and McAvene put up nice numbers in limited action last season.  Cronin had 41 Ks vs. 11 walks (1 HBP) in 22 innings along with a 0.82 ERA. .153 BAA and 1.00 WHIP.  McAvene had 20 Ks and 4 BBs (3 HBP) in 12.2 innings along with a 1.42 ERA.  .119 BAA.  0.71 WHIP

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #2441 on: June 29, 2020, 05:35:04 pm »
I keep reading conflicting reports, but this is how I understand it at this point.  Anyone who had better facts, please feel free to let me know.

As I understand it,

although each team can have up to 60 players on the "active" team, no one can actually appear in a game unless they are on the 40 man roster

All those on the 40 man roster will be paid at their contractual rate (MLB contract - Split contract - minor league contract)  So those not on the 40 man roster, whether with the Wrigley squad or the South Bend squad, will be paid the minor league minimum, if that is what their contract calls for.

If the 40 man roster is full, and they want or need to "activate" someone in the taxi squad that is not on the 40 man roster, someone will have to be removed and be replaced, with all the waiver or DFA rules in place.

I have not heard whether or not the Cubs have plans to pay MILB players through the season if not on the taxi squad.

I believe that minor league players get a small "meal money allowance".  I do not believe that they receive a housing allowance.

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #2442 on: June 29, 2020, 05:46:06 pm »
If they were debating on him based on attitude and humility, he not only shot himself in the foot, but he unloaded the clip into various other parts of his body.
I don't mind his attitude.  You got to believe in yourself, especially if you're on the fringes.  FWIW (not much), I checked my top 200 list and saw that I had Minch at 77. 
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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #2443 on: June 29, 2020, 08:54:16 pm »
Every system has a dozen or so like Minch.  Every once in a while, one of them makes it to the big leagues for a decent career.  Usually, not with the team that signed and developed them.

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« Reply #2444 on: June 29, 2020, 10:55:22 pm »
It's sounding like the Cubs will likely be at full strength with no opt outs on their roster.  Jon Heyman tweeted today that Anthony Rizzo is likely to play this season.

Also the Cubs have had no positive Covid-19 tests thus far.

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“To this point, we have not had anyone that’s talked to us about opting out as we sit here today,” Cubs general manager Jed Hoyer said Monday afternoon during a Zoom conference with Chicago reporters.

“Right now, we don’t have anyone that we know about that’s considering it,” Hoyer said. “If we did, we would respect the decision and understand that this is being made from a very important place of wanting to keep either themselves or their family members safe.”

https://theathletic.com/1901499/2020/06/29/no-opt-outs-or-players-testing-positive-so-far-as-cubs-brace-for-new-reality/
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