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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #135 on: October 03, 2019, 07:33:08 am »
Girardi has teenagers. His oldest may even be in his early 20s now. I’m sure he is familiar with millennials.

That would make his kids post millennials... Believe it or not the entire generation of millennials can now drink legally.

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #136 on: October 03, 2019, 07:37:20 am »
I thought those born in the 90's were considered to be millennials.

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« Reply #137 on: October 03, 2019, 08:00:32 am »
1995/mid-90's is the typical definition.  Cubs don't have any young talent and obviously have an older team, so Hoerner is the only "Gen Z" on this roster.  But yeah, baseball-wise guys who are old fossils who are retiring are formally millenials. 

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #138 on: October 03, 2019, 10:02:45 am »
A lot of people are jumping to the conclusion that when Theo is talking about accountability and stuff that he's referring to Russell.  He might be, but I doubt it.  Everything I've read is that Russell has done almost everything the FO asked him to do.   I think there's something else going on.  Backstabbing, missing signals, swinging for the fences with winning run at third and one out, being clueless about game situations in one's hitting approach, nursing injuries...there's more to it.   
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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #139 on: October 03, 2019, 10:06:57 am »
Girardi has teenagers. His oldest may even be in his early 20s now. I’m sure he is familiar with millennials.

Cashmen disagrees.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/06/sports/baseball/yankees-manager-search.html

"Girardi’s inability to communicate well with an increasingly young clubhouse was the primary factor that led to his dismissal, General Manager Brian Cashman said Monday."

"Cashman, who dismissed reports that hinted at increasing friction between him and Girardi this season or that Girardi did not work well with the analytics staff, also said that Girardi’s managerial gaffe in the postseason — neglecting to call for a replay challenge that may have prevented a loss to the Cleveland Indians in Game 2 of an American League division series — had nothing to do with his ouster."

Corey Freedman
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The issue isn’t not using metrics. The binder thing was real.

The issue was him not listening to the front office whenever he felt like it.

The two entities have to be in sync with one another. Having a manager who disregards your R/D department on a whim is a NO from me, dog

The above guy does the Cubs related podcast and was an intern with the Yankees FO when Girardi was there.  Girardi is just a rehash of Madden with a different approach.  That isn't the way that the game is going.


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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #140 on: October 03, 2019, 10:09:36 am »
1995/mid-90's is the typical definition.  Cubs don't have any young talent and obviously have an older team, so Hoerner is the only "Gen Z" on this roster.  But yeah, baseball-wise guys who are old fossils who are retiring are formally millenials. 

Millenials are 1981 to 1996. 
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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #141 on: October 03, 2019, 10:13:30 am »
I'm rooting for Girardi myself.  He's a smart guy, been part of a winning culture and a winning organization for a long time, averaged 91 wins a year and won a World Series as a manager, etc.  I think a change in the relatively laid back Maddon culture would be a good thing, and I think Girardi could bring it. 

Isn't Maddon a smart guy, and hasn't he been part of a winning culture and a winning organization for a long time?  I don't know if he has averaged 91 wins over the course of his career, but he certainly has bettered that number during the 5 years with the Cubs.  I haven't officially verified it, but I believe that Maddon has won a World Series as a manager.

Whoever we bring in, we will either win immediately with him, and ultimately the new manager will be fired, or we will immediately lose with him, and ultimately the new manager will be fired.  And I personally do not believe that which manager is chosen will have much effect on which of the two alternatives result.

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #142 on: October 03, 2019, 10:31:06 am »
I think Curt has identified a number of issues with the Cubs over the past couple of years, and the right manager is one who is well equipped to help correct these problems while also being a strong motivator.  If Girardi is such a guy, I would hire him without much concern about possible friction with the front office.

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« Reply #143 on: October 03, 2019, 10:35:50 am »
That manager may not exist - players can collectively decide how things will go
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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #144 on: October 03, 2019, 10:58:12 am »
If Girardi is such a guy, I would hire him without much concern about possible friction with the front office.

What if the biggest issue was because Maddon was ignoring important data from the FO?

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« Reply #145 on: October 03, 2019, 11:01:49 am »
I think it may have been more that Maddon was inconsistent on his own rules, depending on the player.  I don't know.

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #146 on: October 03, 2019, 11:10:04 am »
Maybe Maddon knew that the pitching staff was not going to dominate - and the offense cannot score 8 runs every game

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« Reply #147 on: October 03, 2019, 11:10:07 am »
I was unaware Maddon had rules.....

If you read what is coming out from Sharma the Cubs realllly value coaches that work closely with the FO and they want to integrate that up from the minors to major league teams.  It is what the Astros, Yankees, Dodgers, Twins, etc... are doing. 

Refocusing the players is going to be part of the managers responsibility, but integrating the data for the players is a much bigger piece of the puzzle.

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #148 on: October 03, 2019, 11:11:54 am »
How awesome is Davey Martinez that he resurrected the Nats bullpen form losers to winners

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #149 on: October 03, 2019, 11:18:07 am »
I'm not necessarily advocating for Girardi.  But I wouldn't assume that he couldn't work well with a Theo-led front office just because he didn't get along well with Cashman.