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« Reply #285 on: October 11, 2019, 09:53:46 pm »
Quote from: Reb on October 11, 2019, 08:29:23 pm
Just not true.

Rays offered Maddon an extension and Rays team president tried to retain him.

“I’m surprised by it and disappointed,” Silverman said, adding later, “I can only tell you what I know and what Joe and I spoke about, which was his desire to be a long-term Ray. I shared that desire and worked hard to make it a reality, and it didn’t happen.”

Y'all live in some sort of fantasy world where stu's fake public relation's are deemed as being genuine...

Stu has been doing his best to leave this community for the last 12 years.  These comments are literally fake news. Silverman works under a oppressive fiscal mandate. He's **** amazing at it. If you think he's willing to pay a mediocre manager 5 million a year... you are insane. Writing was on the wall for maddon, so he opted out. Much like the writing was on the wall for a 6th season for him to be the cubs manager.
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« Reply #286 on: October 11, 2019, 09:59:11 pm »
At the end of the day, the Rays are literally the most frugal and best run Franchise... and they did NOT retain Maddon. They "tried".... that is all. If you do not understand the dynamics of the Rays losing Price/Crawford et al.... And them not making a public relations effort at keeping him... i dont know what to say to you...

They are masters at it making their decisions seem like someone else's fault.
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« Reply #287 on: October 11, 2019, 10:01:58 pm »
Ron you should not have delete that comment.

"Just Wow". Indeed Just WOW.

The Rays are the best run franchise in baseball, and they go out of their way to cut costs and make fake public relations offers to players and others... if you think otherwise.. Stu wants you to help approve 900 Million in taxes for a new stadium in Tampa... That has been his goal for a solid 15 years.

Ron, bet you a cold beer, he will make it seem like Tampa failed him, much like he made it seem like he did his best to keep Maddon. The narrative will be that Tampa did not approve of paying for a stadium... when he is asking for Hillsborough county to pay for 900M of a 1.1B stadium. When the BOCC and the Mayor offered to pay 50% with a back stop.
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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #288 on: October 11, 2019, 10:03:14 pm »
Quote from: method on October 11, 2019, 09:53:46 pm
Y'all live in some sort of fantasy world where stu's fake public relation's are deemed as being genuine...

Stu has been doing his best to leave this community for the last 12 years.  These comments are literally fake news. Silverman works under a oppressive fiscal mandate. He's **** amazing at it. If you think he's willing to pay a mediocre manager 5 million a year... you are insane. Writing was on the wall for maddon, so he opted out. Much like the writing was on the wall for a 6th season for him to be the cubs manager.


Just wow. "Mediocre." 

That certainly enhances the credibility of your claim.
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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #289 on: October 11, 2019, 10:08:47 pm »
Quote from: Ron on October 11, 2019, 10:03:14 pm
Just wow. "Mediocre." 

That certainly enhances the credibility of your claim.

He is a mediocre tactician, he is a mediocre bullpen manager, HE IS AN AMAZING manager of young players. Read my posts again. He is on point with keeping youth unwound. He has NEVER shown an ability to take a veteran team to any heights. 
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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #290 on: October 11, 2019, 10:57:27 pm »
Quote from: method on October 11, 2019, 09:53:46 pm
Y'all live in some sort of fantasy world where stu's fake public relation's are deemed as being genuine...

Stu has been doing his best to leave this community for the last 12 years.  These comments are literally fake news. Silverman works under a oppressive fiscal mandate. He's **** amazing at it. If you think he's willing to pay a mediocre manager 5 million a year... you are insane. Writing was on the wall for maddon, so he opted out. Much like the writing was on the wall for a 6th season for him to be the cubs manager.


First, Maddon was not seeking $5 from the Rays.

Second, Rays filed tampering charges upon Maddon’s departure. Obviously, that’s inconsistent with notion happy to see him leave.

Three, there are always unsubstantiated rumors/claims from some fandom elements about dire management intentions that circulate with just about every sports franchise. You are doing just that—and five years retroactively

Four, Maddon is not mediocre. He is a future Hall of Famer.

Five, when you claim “fake news” about well respected sourced reports, your credibility is diminished.
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« Reply #291 on: October 11, 2019, 11:17:31 pm »
The Rays have a .473 winning percentage. Back out Maddon’s record and they have .443 winning percentage and 2 winning records.

Maddon is literally the best manager for two teams in the modern era.
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« Reply #292 on: October 12, 2019, 01:42:51 pm »
I think all this about Maddon being mediocre and a future Hall of Famer are both over the top.  The Expos-Nationals have never been World Champion, so if the Nationals do it this year, is Dave Martinez going to the HOF too?  Maddon is a fine manager in the modern era, but not being able to succeed with a veteran lineup has some validity.  Be interesting if he gets the Angel job.  I think he would win another WS if he got the Padres job.
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« Reply #293 on: October 12, 2019, 02:18:35 pm »
Maddon's resume is getting kind of close to HOF worthy if he's not there yet.  40th all-time in wins, and only 17 managers in the Top 40 aren't in the Hall, including guys like Bochy, Leyland, and Francona who will likely get there.  Piniella could get in too.

A World Series title with Mike Trout probably would clinch it for Maddon. 
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« Reply #294 on: October 12, 2019, 02:36:31 pm »
If Maddon manages another 3-5 years, he’s going to be in the 1500-1650 wins range. Just about essential to win a WS—which he has. Plus, a WS appearance with the Rays is remarkable. Has a pretty high probability for HOF, I think.

Piniella is expected to get in next year. Showalter has a ton of wins but no WS appearance. Dusty has not won a WS. Scioscia has ton of wins and won a WS but, for whatever reason, not widely considered outstanding. Maybe he gets in eventually too.

Maddon likely will have the wins, a WS, and has a sterling reputation around baseball. So, think chances are good.
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« Reply #295 on: October 12, 2019, 02:50:05 pm »
Cubs are naming Justin Stone director of hitting. He was a bio kinetic hitting consultant for the Cubs last year. This is according to Jessie Rogers.
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« Reply #296 on: October 13, 2019, 06:35:55 pm »
Marly Rivera
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Carlos Beltrán said he was approached by the Padres and Cubs to interview for their managerial vacancies, but that he declined because he's  focused on his job with the Yankees as special advisor to GM Brian Cashman.
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« Reply #297 on: October 13, 2019, 06:52:59 pm »
Quote from: Deeg on October 13, 2019, 06:35:55 pm
...Carlos Beltrán said he was approached by the Padres and Cubs to interview for their managerial vacancies, but that he declined because he's  focused on his job with the Yankees as special advisor to GM Brian Cashman.

rumors like this, in addition to interviewees like Ross and Venable, suggest that managerial experience may not be a high priority.
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« Reply #298 on: October 13, 2019, 07:37:25 pm »
Quote from: craig on October 13, 2019, 06:52:59 pm
rumors like this, in addition to interviewees like Ross and Venable, suggest that managerial experience may not be a high priority.

Phillies seem to be the only team prioritizing managerial experience with Dusty, Girardi and Showalter on the interview docket.
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« Reply #299 on: October 13, 2019, 08:23:59 pm »
I'm OK with that. 
1.  Don't think experience with organizational/administrative aspects is crucial.  Journeyman like Ross have seen bunches of different spring trainings; you can get notes on spring-training scheduling; and you can hire a veteran bench coach who's gone through a lot of the administrative stuff. 

2. I'm guessing front office is fine providing the analytics, sending them down, and let the manager apply and implement. 

3.  I suspect players are more likely to believe a younger manager can relate and is approachable, even if a more experienced guy might actually be just as good and open of a communicator.  But perception is a thing. 

4.  I expect a young, unproven, first-time manager is hugely energized and self-motivated to succeed, to win, and to prove himself. 

5.  Communication, people, and relational skills won't improve much with experience, and may be possessed by a rookie manager.
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