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Ron

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #480 on: October 25, 2019, 12:57:55 pm »
Clear evidence of real change for the Cubs.  Fire Maddon and hire his clone.

So now you are channeling Jeff?

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #481 on: October 25, 2019, 01:19:56 pm »
From a very distanced perspective, it seems to me that Ross is much more no-bullshit than Joe. "Sledgehammer" is probably never a word that would be used to describe Maddon, and the fault in Joe's temperament is likely being too nice.

From public comments (both from Ross and his contemporaries), it seems like that's not a problem for Ross, and that, for however much he buys into the idea that players are adults and don't need to be micro-managed, he was also very much an enforcer in the 2016 clubhouse.

That sounds pretty spot on for the kind of cultural change we need. In fact, trying to force wholesale cultural change through an organization can be *very* destructive. Upholding the low-pressure, respect-oriented culture while installing a leader whose natural instinct is to nip (sometimes forcefully) at the heels of guys who aren't keeping up their end of that arrangement sounds great to me.
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Ron

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #482 on: October 25, 2019, 09:15:39 pm »
Interesting.

Jordan Bastian
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After season, Theo cited individualized work/routines as an area that can be improved. Said it will be important to find time to work and assemble as a team.

Going through quotes from last game, Javy Baez had a similar sentiment when asked to compare ‘19 Cubs to past teams...

"We were still a unit as a team, but it was like everybody was respecting everybody's space more than just keeping getting better as a team and learning from each other. But it's something that we've got to make an adjustment."

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #483 on: October 28, 2019, 11:57:21 am »
The Cubs just posted the David Ross press conference on Facebook.  Just listening to some bits and pieces of it, he seems to appreciate a lot of the criticism that his hiring his brought on.  When asked about his relationships with former teammates and the "Grandpa Rossy" nickname, he talked about how that was a little bit of a misnomer at times, like a lot of the conversations he'd have on the mound with Lester.  He pretty much said if he'd gotten mic'ed up for a lot of those conversations, they were pretty far from friendly a lot of the time. 


On being a puppet for the front office, Theo recalled an anecdote where he wasn't happy about how Ross was calling pitches for a rookie pitcher that had been called up and set up a time to talk to him about it.  He came in with his data and minor league reports about what worked for that pitcher in the minors and he was expecting Ross to just go along with it.  Instead Ross pushed back on him pretty hard about why he was calling things the way for that pitcher.

Have to admit, I think Ross sounded like a guy who's ready to be a manager.
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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #484 on: October 28, 2019, 02:53:57 pm »
I think another telling part was when Theo was talking about Spring Training and the analytic guys came down with a bunch of numbers and they had trouble integrating it into something useful for the players and they thought Ross would be better at making it into useful stuff for the players.

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #485 on: October 29, 2019, 10:04:00 am »
I think it's a mistake to view the Ross hiring as simply because he was a guy they liked from the 2016 team.

He was on the 2016 team because they liked him as a future manager.  This has been in the works for a long time.

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #486 on: October 29, 2019, 11:38:05 am »
DMF, are the fires any danger to you and yours?

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #487 on: October 29, 2019, 01:47:42 pm »
We heard over and over again that Ross will hold Cub players "accountable".  What does that mean in practice?

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #488 on: October 29, 2019, 01:50:31 pm »
We heard over and over again that Ross will hold Cub players "accountable".  What does that mean in practice?
Or in games.

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #489 on: October 29, 2019, 01:56:03 pm »
It means he is a registered gun owner and knows how to use it.

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #490 on: October 29, 2019, 01:59:36 pm »
"I know it's my turn to buy the beer, but you didn't run out that fly ball, so no stein for you!"

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #491 on: October 29, 2019, 05:26:19 pm »
We heard over and over again that Ross will hold Cub players "accountable".  What does that mean in practice?

It means Ross is dutifully spouting the company line.  Right now it doesn't mean much else - we'll see in time if that remains the case.

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #492 on: October 29, 2019, 05:47:11 pm »
Ross already is in Deeg Non-Fave purgatory.

Unfortunately for Ross, it's a Life Sentence.
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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #493 on: October 29, 2019, 05:55:03 pm »
Fox News weighing in quickly, as always.

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #494 on: October 29, 2019, 05:58:08 pm »
Fox News weighing in quickly, as always.

That belongs in the Politics, Religion thread.