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JR

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #525 on: October 31, 2019, 11:54:33 pm »
Riggleman, Riggleman, Riggleman

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #526 on: October 31, 2019, 11:55:28 pm »
I'm all in on Riggleman.   This board has been missing "Has Rigglemortis been fired yet?" posts for way too long, and we need to get back to that.

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #527 on: November 01, 2019, 12:17:51 am »
Giving up on the season already, huh?

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #528 on: November 01, 2019, 10:49:23 am »
I'm all in on Riggleman.   This board has been missing "Has Rigglemortis been fired yet?" posts for way too long, and we need to get back to that.
He should be a bench coach in Seattle.  Free car washes.

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #529 on: November 01, 2019, 11:30:03 am »
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Sources indicate two members of Joe Maddon’s  Cub staff will follow him to the Angels . Brian Butterfield will coach  third base . Cubs Strength and conditioning coach Tim Buss will be in the Quality assurance role for Anaheim.The popular  Buss was with Cubs since 2001.

Cubs Prospects - Bryan Smith
I have heard the Cubs intend to modernize and become more data driven in their strength and conditioning programs, as beloved Tim Buss heads to follow Joe Maddon to Los Angeles (as
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Cubs Prospects - Bryan Smith
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This modernization will occur system wide, as I expect the Cubs to change their processes in strength development on the minor league side, too. Think of this like what they’re doing with pitching and hitting infrastructures.


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Venerable strength/conditioning coach Tim Buss leaves Cubs for Angels, about 4 months after Mark O’Neal, Director of Medical Services, departs for U of Arkansas men’s hoops. More changes in Cubs medical/training staff, along with 3B coach Brian Butterfield to Angels.


I think the changes inside that we aren't going to get to see are going to be huge.  I was reading about Farrell when he got fired by the Red Sox.  Butterfield was involved with making the defensive shifts and Butterfield did it all with video work.  When Cora came he he turned it over to the analytics department and they game players wristbands and cards for their shifting. 

The whole wrist band thing had me thinking as well about when Ross caught he wore one.  Was Contreras wearing one this year?  I honestly don't remember.  I assume Butterfield was doing the defensive shift work with the Cubs and still using video.  That might explain the Cubs lack of shifting.  I really think that if you aren't into advanced stats and being able to get them into a useful presentation for the players the Cubs won't have any use for you.

Follow Justin Stone on Twitter if you are interested in what the Cubs are going to be doing with S&C.

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #530 on: November 01, 2019, 02:31:47 pm »
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This board has been missing "Has Rigglemortis been fired yet?"

Curt's version is tongue-in-cheek.  We need the return of BEERFAN for the real deal.
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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #531 on: November 01, 2019, 04:14:38 pm »
Giving up on the season already, huh?

Nah, I'm just on a Rigglemoron nostalgia trip with this.  I think the nostalgia/entertainment value of having Riggleman back with the inevitable "Has Riggleman been fired yet?" posts trumps everything else. 

By the way, does a bench coach really make that much of a difference, even for an inexperienced guy like Ross?  I know bench coaches have been in vogue since the Don Zimmer days with the Yankees, but in the grand scheme of things, is the difference between a former mediocre/bad manager like Riggleman vs. a fairly better former manager in Farrell really that big of a deal? 

I'd also add that it doesn't seem like anyone's been running all over themselves trying to hire Farrell as a manager ever since he left Boston, so even if he is the best candidate for the job, is having someone as bench coach that nobody seems particularly interested in hiring as a manager really that important?
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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #532 on: November 01, 2019, 04:35:31 pm »
By the way, does a bench coach really make that much of a difference, even for an inexperienced guy like Ross?  I know bench coaches have been in vogue since the Don Zimmer days with the Yankees, but in the grand scheme of things, is the difference between a former mediocre/bad manager like Riggleman vs. a fairly better former manager in Farrell really that big of a deal? 

https://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2019/3/31/18285562/mlb-life-cleveland-indians-bench-coach

It is important, but it is more important to get the right guy.  Josh Bard was named Aaron Boone's bench coach and he had only been the Dodgers bullpen coach.  Alex Cora went with Ron Roenicke.  It isn't that you have to go with an experienced manager for a rookie coach.  Maybe the Cubs should be going after Hank White.
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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #533 on: November 01, 2019, 05:18:25 pm »
That probably wouldnt be a bad idea.

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #534 on: November 01, 2019, 05:36:35 pm »
Whoever Cubs pick as bench coach, it’s important that they pick a guy who can do a better job of restraining David Ross when he goes berserk

Chip Hale, Nats bench coach, did a terrible job trying to restrain Davey Martinez in World Series Game 6—outmuscled badly by Martinez.

My bench coach pick is Trent Williams, All-Pro left tackle, currently in a bitter dispute with the Washington NFL team, who recently failed his physical because his helmet would not fit without pain due to recent surgery. Williams should be okay with a baseball cap and will likely have Ross on the ground within seconds.


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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #535 on: November 01, 2019, 05:58:48 pm »
I'd go find Farnsworth.  Excellent form tackler.

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #536 on: November 01, 2019, 06:30:04 pm »
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The move didn't blindside Maddon, however. In a recent interview, he noted that it was obvious he wouldn't be retained, but also that he didn't want to return, anyhow.

"When it got down to the last couple days it was really obvious to both sides," Maddon said to Marc Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times. "I didn't want to be back either. It was more of a bilateral than a unilateral decision.''

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"I do want to play them in a World Series, because it would mean both sides are successful," Maddon said to Topkin. "And I want us to win the last game, which I think is only appropriate. … I love David, I think he's going to do a great job actually, and I love a lot of the players there. I've got more thought- provoking, tear-provoking outreach from some (Cubs players) at the end of this season than I've ever gotten before.''


https://sports.yahoo.com/joe-maddon-end-cubs-tenure-202027175.html

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #537 on: November 01, 2019, 06:36:41 pm »
Bastian predicts Castellanos could come back to the Cubs.  He's a tough guy to figure out - a productive hitter to be sure, but I still say there's no fit unless Schwarber is traded (which isn't sounding that likely at the moment).  Castellanos and Schwarber on the same roster just makes no sense.
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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #538 on: November 01, 2019, 06:38:44 pm »
Nobody—outside the organization— has much of a clue how well the bench coach is performing.

If someone asked your opinion late in the 2019 season about Mark Loretta’s performance as bench coach, on what would you base an opinion?

So, seems like a pointless exercise now to advocate for one guy over another. Cubs will pick someone who’s a fit with Ross and we’ll all have probably no idea how it’s working out until the guy is extended or fired or the like.
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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #539 on: November 01, 2019, 06:43:27 pm »
A lively discussion over the importance of the new bench coach.  Must be the beginning of the off-season.