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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #645 on: November 07, 2019, 04:01:14 pm »
I think they'd be more interested in Gilfoyle.

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #646 on: November 07, 2019, 04:56:28 pm »
Somehow all these changes so far is like dumping out the diaper and putting it back on the baby.
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« Reply #647 on: November 07, 2019, 05:08:19 pm »
Somehow all these changes so far is like dumping out the diaper and putting it back on the baby.

Exactly. They should have signed one or two free agents and made at least a couple of major trades by now!

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« Reply #648 on: November 07, 2019, 05:24:18 pm »
Exactly. They should have signed one or two free agents and made at least a couple of major trades by now!
  LOL, no.  But I catch the sarcasm.   I was only saying that none of them has exactly got me excited yet.

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« Reply #649 on: November 07, 2019, 06:47:32 pm »
  LOL, no.  But I catch the sarcasm.   I was only saying that none of them has exactly got me excited yet.

The memory of last offseason is a legitimate reason for skepticism.  It just seems in general that the last couple of years have been more about scapegoating than actually committing resources to fix problems.

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« Reply #650 on: November 08, 2019, 07:57:24 am »
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They might kick him upstairs to some special assistant to the GM type role.

Isn't that position vacant?  Wasn't that Ross' old title?


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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #652 on: November 08, 2019, 02:03:38 pm »
From a Mark Gonzales Q&A:

Merrifield will be a priority this winter, and there’s a match with the Royals involving a combination of an outfielder and infielder.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/cubs/ct-chicago-cubs-kris-bryant-david-ross-20191030-zhhmkeqeqzffre4qvxpr7txvj4-story.html

If the outfielder/infielder combination is something like Almora and Bote, then sure, do it. But I hope they're not thinking of trading Hoerner for Merrifield at this point. That would be an all-in move for 2020--Merrifield improves the team in 2020, but is already 31...it's probably more likely than not that Hoerner is the better player by 2021 or 2022. With the team constructed as it is now and the limited money they have to spend, this offseason just isn't the time to go all in on next year.
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« Reply #653 on: November 08, 2019, 02:05:52 pm »
Go for it.

Each year is another opportunity.

If you aint trying to win every year you're doing a disservice to your fans.

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #654 on: November 08, 2019, 03:42:28 pm »
If the outfielder/infielder combination is something like Almora and Bote,

I mean if they are going to give him away sure.  The cost is probably more Happ and Hoerner though.

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« Reply #655 on: November 08, 2019, 04:09:56 pm »
I mean if they are going to give him away sure.  The cost is probably more Happ and Hoerner though.

Not interested. 

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #656 on: November 08, 2019, 04:10:59 pm »
...The cost is probably more Happ and Hoerner though.

That would be the ask.

But, don’t see Cubs doing that.

Happ yes, but doesn’t make sense to include Hoerner with all those years of control and some SS ability.

Could see Happ and Amaya, OR Happ, Bote, and one from Alzolay, Ademan, or Roederer. Don’t think Almora gets you very far but maybe throw him in to one of the above packages.

There is a risk with Merrifield because such a late bloomer but maybe similar to Zobrist career or at least more similar than anybody else around. We know what Zobrist meant to Cubs.

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #657 on: November 08, 2019, 04:16:05 pm »
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Multiple teams in search of catching help believe Cubs catcher Willson Contreras will be available this winter. The Cubs will get creative this winter, and with a deep catching free agent market, they could trade Contreras and begin retooling under new manager David Ross.

That would be the ask.

But, don’t see Cubs doing that.

Happ yes, but doesn’t make sense to include Hoerner with all those years of control and some SS ability.

Could see Happ and Amaya, OR Happ, Bote, and one from Alzolay, Ademan, or Roederer. Don’t think Almora gets you very far but maybe throw him in to one of the above packages.

There is a risk with Merrifield because such a late bloomer but maybe similar to Zobrist career or at least more similar than anybody else around. We know what Zobrist meant to Cubs.

Zobrist was a significantly better player than Merrifield on offense and defense.

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #658 on: November 08, 2019, 04:37:29 pm »

Zobrist was a significantly better player than Merrifield on offense and defense.

Yes, at Zobrist’s peak seasons with Rays. With Cubs in 2006 and 2098, Zobrist was a 4 WAR guy and Merrifield has been a 4 WAR player averaging over last 3 seasons.

Bill James latest career rankings has Zobrist as #36 2B of all-time.

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #659 on: November 08, 2019, 04:53:53 pm »
Using fWAR Merrifield has been worth 2.8, 5.2, 2.9.  His wRC+ is 105, 119, 110 in those seasons.  At the same age Zobrist 8.7, 3.8, 6.4 with wRC+ 152, 100, 130.  2016 Zobrist in 4.0 with wRC+ 124.  Zobrist was just better.