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Deeg

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #975 on: December 01, 2019, 10:19:38 pm »
Wood is alluring in the same way all never-healthy guys who put up a great season are.  But what strikes me is that his velocity spiked way up in 2017, and that was his one really good season.  Why who knows, but there's no reason to believe he'll ever throw that hard again, and thus no reason to believe he'll ever approach his 2017 numbers even if he was otherwise healthy.


Still, if the Cubs are destined for another winter of dumpster diving as most of the press reports suggests, those are the sorts of guys you end up looking at.  Vs. McHugh or Teheran, I'd take a flyer on Wood.

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« Reply #976 on: December 01, 2019, 10:43:11 pm »
IF IF Russell is tendered, my take would be that brass has concluded that there are buyers for Russell in the trade market at a $5 arb salary.

Your premise is that the Cubs don't want him themselves, at least at $5M.  I think that assumption is probably correct. 

If so, then your logic is correct.  **IF** they don't want him themselves at $5M, but they still tender him and obligate themselves to a $5M commitment, that would only be logical **IF** they think teams want him enough to trade value for his $5M contract. 

I think that hypothetical is unlikely.  I'm not saying trading him with $5M contract is impossible; after all, liability contracts are routinely involved in bad-contract-for-bad-contract liability exchanges.  But I just don't think Russell at $5M with his bat and his baggage would be valued enough to be worth any significant trade value.  **IF** you don't want him yourself, why would you want to obligate yourself to $5M contract when you might NOT be able to trade him; and even if you can, the talent return will be very minimal at best? 

So seems to me that *IF* the Cubs don't want him at $5M themselves, they'd be unwise to tender him. 

I see three options:
1.  Tender him tomorrow
2.  Non-tender him tomorrow.
3.  Come to a contract agreement at a less-than-tender price.  $2?  $3? 

2B is one of the Cubs three most pressing starter needs (CF and rotation starter being the others).  Theo loves Hoerner.  **IF** they were to bring Russell back, at a reduced salary, that might provide more coverage.  Maybe Hoerner has a good spring, and they just decide to commit to him.  Or maybe not, and they'd like him to spend some time in the minors; while still hoping that he's going to be the long-term answer, and might be so by June or July.  *IF* they hope he's the guy, but want to buy some stop-gap 2B roster-fill until he's ready, the existing alternatives are Descalzo, Bote, and Happ.  **IF** they were to bring Russell back, even if he wasn't good, he might still be well ahead of Descalzo on the anti-awful continuum.  And perhaps defense-considered (which of course it must be), he might be viewed as an overall decent competitor for Bote and Happ, both of which are variably below-average defensively.  So *IF* Russell agreed to a $2.5 contract, for example, on the pure baseball level that might make sense for the Cubs to sign him ?? 
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« Reply #977 on: December 01, 2019, 10:54:41 pm »
The Cubs would've traded Russell to anyone who was interested for the last year and a half, and they still have him. He had his worst MLB season this year. It was reported that one of the (many) reasons he was sent back to AAA was because he never learned their signs. His value is at an all time low--if no one wanted to give up anything for him a year ago or on July 31, why would they want him now?

If the Cubs tender him, he makes $5 million. If they non-tender him, I'd bet a lot that he'll go to Spring Training without a major league guarantee.

Well, my expectation is that Russell will be non-tendered. If there are reports to the contrary (??) and turns out he IS tendered, that will be interesting.

Hypothetically, assuming a tender, don’t think it necessarily means he stays with Cubs. Would expect a trade, instead.

A year ago last off-season, Russell was toxic as a trade chip because of the off-field situation and impending suspension. Then, as season started, couldn’t play, suspended. Then in minors and, thereafter, back to minors just before July 31 trade deadline. Those were the lows for any trade value.

Now, he’s met the rehabilitation requirements, suspension served, and some clubs need a SS as we’re early in the off-season. So, could see the possibility that Theo has discovered that some clubs might have an interest in Russell at SS. For me, that would be most likely explanation IF IF IF Russell is tendered tomorrow. Not expecting that, but if happens, this would be my guess why.

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« Reply #978 on: December 01, 2019, 11:11:01 pm »
As to Craig’s post, think there could be more interest in Russell as a SS to other clubs than to Cubs at lower-than-$5 salary 2B utility type guy.

Years ago, I expected and posted several times that eventually either Baez or Russell would be traded because it’s exceedingly rare that a club plays a Plus defensive SS at another position for all that long. SS is of course a premier position on the field and only very unusual circumstances would you see a gold glove type guy there play at a lesser position for very long.

Of course, now Russell’s offensive stock is way down but he’s still a terrific defensive SS and clubs are always looking for that. So, could see possibility that Theo is hearing interest.

Or, Russell is non-tendered, as expected.

If Russell is non-tendered, I expect him to get a major league deal elsewhere. One-year major league deals are not guaranteed, in any case. But, guessing that there will be several openings and opportunities for him

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« Reply #979 on: December 01, 2019, 11:58:59 pm »
There is nothing solid that Russell is getting tendered. Just some rumors and then Bleacher Nation tweeting about it.

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« Reply #980 on: December 02, 2019, 04:22:34 pm »
Cubs hired Craig Driver from the Phillies as a catching/1B coach. Borzello will be game planning and losing his catching duties.  Coaching staff is complete and much more tech forward.


This seems like the kind of relatively minor move which could be much more significant than is now apparent.
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« Reply #981 on: December 02, 2019, 04:58:20 pm »
Rosenthal says the Cubs have agreed to a $640K deal with Cotton.

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« Reply #982 on: December 02, 2019, 05:01:13 pm »
MLB minimum is $563,500.

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« Reply #983 on: December 02, 2019, 05:49:32 pm »
Russell non-tendered.
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« Reply #984 on: December 02, 2019, 05:50:56 pm »
Also Danny Hultzen
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« Reply #985 on: December 02, 2019, 06:04:14 pm »
Also Danny Hultzen

Why?  Offloading a bad contract in Russell, I get that.  But why Hultzen, I wonder? 

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« Reply #986 on: December 02, 2019, 06:12:01 pm »
Hultzen was a lost cause.

Best of luck to Addison.
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« Reply #987 on: December 02, 2019, 06:20:48 pm »
Why?  Offloading a bad contract in Russell, I get that.  But why Hultzen, I wonder? 

Craig, regarding Hultzen (courtesy of Arizona Phil):

2. There are presently four unsigned pre-arbitration (auto-renewal) players on the Cubs MLB 40-man roster who are out of minor league options:

DANNY HULTZEN
TONY KEMP
ALEC MILLS
DUANE UNDERWOOD JR
 
Any one of them could get non-tendered.

The way it's done is the club non-tenders the player on 12/2 (so that he can't be claimed off waivers), and then they wait until after the Rule 5 Draft (which will be on December 12th) to re-sign the player to a minor league contract (so that the player can't be selected in the Rule 5 Draft).

The reason why a club would non-tender a player who is out of minor league options is if the club values the player enough such that if there is a question about whether the player will be able to make the club's Opening Day MLB roster out of Spring Training, the player can be sent to AAA without the club taking the risk that the player could be claimed off waivers. The Cubs did this last year with Allen Webster (he was out of minor league options, he was non-tendered, signed a minor league contract with the Cubs after the Rule 5 Draft, came to Spring Training as an NRI and was very impressive but failed to make the Opening Day bullpen because the Cubs had too many veteran arms with guaranteed contracts in the pen at the start of the season, and then he was called-up in April once there was room for him in the pen).   

However, in the case of Hultzen and Mills (but maybe not so much with Kemp and Underwood), if they are non-tendered and agree (in advance) to sign a minor league contract after the Rule 5 Draft if they don't receive an MLB contract offer from another club in the interim, I suspect both will get a 2020 MLB contract offer from another club if non-tendered, and I don't think the Cubs want to risk losing either Hultzen or Mills that way.

Two other factors that pertain just to Danny Hultzen and could influence the Cubs in deciding to non-tender him is that he has both Draft-Excluded status (he was added to an MLB 40-man roster after August 15th) and Article XX-D rights (he has been outrighted previously in his career), so he can't be outrighted any earlier than 20 days prior to Opening Day and he has the right to elect free-agency even if waivers can be secured prior to OPening Day.

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #988 on: December 02, 2019, 06:29:00 pm »
It is quite possible that the Cubs will try to resign both of them after the draft is completed.

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« Reply #989 on: December 02, 2019, 07:29:55 pm »
Why do you say that? Very few trades around baseball so far. Why would the timing as to Russell be any different than what’s (not) happening elsewhere? Not arguing to the contrary, just curious as to your reasoning.

The Cubs had been trying to move Russell before the issue with his wife became public. He was considered a bad locker room guy among other things.
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