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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #1005 on: December 03, 2019, 10:03:12 pm »
I’m pretty sure the poster later clarified that the Cubs weren’t pursuing at the price he initially asked for (I think it was 4 years, $80 million at the time).

As I said back then, it’s a non-story if Cubs weren’t interested in Castellanos’ initial September asking price. But, the initial post started at—“I have been told that keeping Castellanos isn’t going to happen”—-which is way too broad a brush. It’s a negotiation.

I still don’t think Castellanos comes back, but doubt it was ever accurate to claim “isn’t going to happen” based on anything told in September. Yeah, “it’s just a message board” so doesn’t matter what anybody says. I get it——that’s the general feeling here. End of story.

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« Reply #1006 on: December 03, 2019, 10:49:08 pm »
If the Cubs are indeed "manic" to make a trade, Schwarber is surely not untouchable.  They're probably keeping contact with Castellanos just in case that happens, as he'd then be one of their logical options for LF.

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« Reply #1007 on: December 03, 2019, 11:06:49 pm »
He clarified that it was the asking price and the Cubs didn’t think his price would come down to a level that they would pay him. He said if the Castellanos price dropped they would be interested.

Why you have a bug rumors on a message board is beyond me.
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« Reply #1008 on: December 03, 2019, 11:48:46 pm »
Jeff Passan says the Cubs are "aggressive" and "manic" to make trades.

I hope they don't trade any minor-league guys.  I'm kinda leaning Buildican right now. 

When's the last time they traded a major leaguer with an actual big-league role, as opposed to a prospect or a salary dump? 
*Obviously Soler (2016) had already played in the majors before they traded him, but he was really a prospect, not a guy who had a real role on the team.
*Castro (2015), but that was really a salary dump to make room for Zobrist.
*Otherwise, would it be back to the Samardz-for-Russell trade in 2014? 

It's been a long time.  Have they ever done a major-league talent exchange?  As opposed to prospect-for-veteran trades, or salary dump?   


Were either Strop or Arrieta major leaguers when we traded Feldman?  Or was Strop in the minors too, at that time? 

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #1009 on: December 04, 2019, 12:23:14 am »
He was in the majors pitching like he should be in the minors.

Reb

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #1010 on: December 04, 2019, 12:55:33 pm »
He clarified that it was the asking price and the Cubs didn’t think his price would come down to a level that they would pay him. He said if the Castellanos price dropped they would be interested.

Why you have a bug rumors on a message board is beyond me.

Bad or misleading ”inside” rumors with a faulty premise are not useful. I get it that you and many others have a very low bar and don’t care.  Fine for you, not fine for me.

The initial inside dope was that ”told” by an insider that keeping Castellanos not going to happen. As I’ve now said for the third time, the subsequent “clarification” became a total non-story that the club might be interested if the price comes down—-that happens in most situations for a good player.

And, you only got the “clarification” because the initial post was questioned. That was the only useful thing in the whole matter.

Not questioning that there is a source of some sort. But, non-journalists tend often to garble or overstate when relaying info or do a poor job evaluating the source. Get it that you don’t care about that. Should not be “beyond you” that somebody else does care.


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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #1011 on: December 04, 2019, 01:28:06 pm »
Dear Reb,

You don't run the board and can't control what other people post.  I suggest if the rumors bother you that much you just block the poster or ignore it.  I have no clue what his source is, but it can provide interesting discussion points even if it is bad info.

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #1012 on: December 04, 2019, 01:58:03 pm »
Man, do I hesitate to jump into this. But Reb has repeatedly said he is not expecting others to share his view on "inside" sources/rumors. He isn't trying to control anybody else, not objecting to others expressing their views.

On the other hand, you seem to be objecting to him expressing his view. If not, please clarify

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #1013 on: December 04, 2019, 02:15:27 pm »
Once upon a time there was a young Dodgers fan whom we’ll call Rab.  One morning, Rab read in the newspaper that Don Drysdale would be signing autographs at a nearby car dealership for an hour that morning.  Rab was very excited, and he took his baseball glove and left the house to head for the car dealership.  He was partway there when he was approached by a mysterious stranger on a street corner.

“Hey, kid,” the man said.  “You a Dodgers fan?”

“Yes, sir, Mr. Mysterious Stranger,” Rab replied.

“That’s good,” the stranger said.  “You know, Sandy Koufax is over at Oceanside High School signing autographs.”

“Really?” Rab gushed, but then he grew skeptical.  “Wait, are you a credentialed member of the press?  From what institution of higher learning did you get your degree in journalism?”

“No, kid,” the stranger said.  “I have inside information.  I have it from a guy who knows a guy who works for the Dodgers.”

Rab wasn’t sure.  “I don’t know. . . .” he said.

“Plus ol’ Sandy is giving pitching lessons,” the nefarious stranger said.

“Wow,” said Rab, now convinced.  He took off for Oceanside High, only to find a local famers’ market set up offering organic fruits and vegetables as well as artisanal craft goods.
 
Rab hurried to the car dealership, but the signing event had already closed.  Rab had missed his chance.

Poor Rab was heartbroken.  He stood in the middle of the street with tears streaming down his face and shouted at the sky “Never!  Never again will I trust unsubstantiated rumors in lieu of the honest reporting of a journalist!”

He paused.

“A Real journalist!” Rab amended.  “Not just someone posting garbage as click-bait!  Never!”
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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #1014 on: December 04, 2019, 02:37:11 pm »
Lol

The rumors do give us something to discuss besides someone's friggin WAR and pecker sizes.

Reb

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #1015 on: December 04, 2019, 03:55:05 pm »
Once upon a time there was a young Dodgers fan whom we’ll call Rab.  One morning, Rab read in the newspaper that Don Drysdale would be signing autographs at a nearby car dealership for an hour that morning....

Actually, in case you might be interested, I got Don Drysdale’s autograph many years ago (and Sandy Koufax and lots of other guys). It was not because of following a rumor. I asked around where the players parked at Dodger Stadium (and the visiting team’s bus) and waited for them to arrive. That is, it took a bit of effort and and time to get accurate information....and then there’s a reward for doing that.

Obviously, not interested in trying to “control what other people post”—-an astonishingly bad interpretation by CBJ of my comments. Obviously, the internet is full of unsourced baloney...and far worse.  There is a high tolerance level for that..I get that.

But, it’s fair game to point that out and to follow up later when it becomes clear that the inside report was faulty. Says something (not sure what) that some folks find it objectionable to do that.

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #1016 on: December 04, 2019, 09:28:56 pm »
Did I miss where Nick signed with the Cubs for $80 million?  If he didn’t how is it faulty?  Did he say the Cubs wouldn’t be in contact with Nick throughout the season?

Everyone on this board knows you don’t like rumors that aren’t from your approved journalist list. Instead of calling people out maybe just don’t hit the post key.

Reb

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #1017 on: December 05, 2019, 12:23:08 am »
Did I miss where Nick signed with the Cubs for $80 million?  If he didn’t how is it faulty?  Did he say the Cubs wouldn’t be in contact with Nick throughout the season?

Everyone on this board knows you don’t like rumors that aren’t from your approved journalist list. Instead of calling people out maybe just don’t hit the post key.

Sounds like you’re telling me what I ought not to post—-after just saying a few posts ago that I’M the one trying to control what others post. LOL.

An “approved journalist list” ? Good grief. Calm down.


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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #1018 on: December 05, 2019, 12:24:35 am »
You guys don't need any of the rest of us, do you?  Hit the lights when you're done.
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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #1019 on: December 05, 2019, 09:01:23 am »
It has a long way to go to equal the Scotti-Reb debates of 01.

Of course, it isn't over yet, so there is still hope.