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JR

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #1050 on: December 05, 2019, 08:36:36 pm »
By the way just an observation, but the Astros went much of the season with Robinson Chirinos as catcher, who finished near the bottom in pitch framing stats this year.  Perhaps the Astros don't care as much about pitch framing as a lot of stat-forward teams if they settled for that in '19 and are interested in a guy in Contreras who hasn't fared well in that for most of his career.  Having mediocre pitching framing last year didn't seem to hurt their stud pitchers last season either.


Again if the Astros want him, maybe we shouldn't be so quick to unload him ourselves unless we get something very good back.
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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #1051 on: December 05, 2019, 08:44:43 pm »
That’s because framing is bullshit.

Get pitchers who can throw strikes and hit their target.
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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #1052 on: December 05, 2019, 10:52:24 pm »
I don't know.  We always talk about these moves we want to make in the outfield, and it usually ends with "We can't have _______ and Schwarber in the outfield together."  A guy like Tucker would end a lot of those roadblocks.  It'd also help make a Castellanos re-signing make much more sense.

Not that we're going to trade for Tucker anyway, but if the Astros are interested in Contreras but wouldn't part with Tucker for him, maybe adding Schwarber sweetens the pot enough to do it and helps end a lot of our outfield logjam issues.


Also if it seems to much for us to pay for Tucker, it might mean that could be an appropriate enough trade after all for us.  To get something, you have to give something.
  What I meant was that giving up BOTH Contreras and Schwarber for what you proposed was too little a return.  I see us trading both, but we need a pile back.
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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #1053 on: December 06, 2019, 08:10:29 am »
Robert Murray @ByRobertMurray
Sources: #Cubs in agreement with free-agent reliever Daniel Winkler on one-year deal.

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #1054 on: December 06, 2019, 08:41:26 am »
Still in dumpster diving mode I see.

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #1055 on: December 06, 2019, 08:43:29 am »
Cubs drafted him in 2010, 43rd round. 

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #1056 on: December 06, 2019, 10:08:54 am »
$750K guarantee on a major league deal for Winkler according to Heyman. Also has $750K in incentives.

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #1057 on: December 06, 2019, 10:15:17 am »
Heyman revises his last tweet and says Winkler is on a split contract where he'll get paid $200K if he's in the minors and $750K plus incentives in MLB.

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« Reply #1058 on: December 06, 2019, 11:10:13 am »
The Chicago Cubs working with relief specialist  Brandon Morrow on coming back. It would be a minor league deal . Most likely end of December conclusion.--Levine
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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #1059 on: December 06, 2019, 11:28:16 am »
Winker isn't a bad option for the Iowa shuttle.

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« Reply #1060 on: December 06, 2019, 12:19:27 pm »
Winker isn't a bad option for the Iowa shuttle.

What is his options status, I assume he's got at least a year, based on your comment?  And where is the best website for finding stuff like that?  True Iowa-shuttle requires not only that you can start him there and call him up as need arises, but also that you can send him back and call him back again later. 

He was pretty good two seasons ago.  Basically lost three to injury, 14-15 to 2014 TJ, and then broke his elbow and lost 16.  So who knows, maybe he's at a stage where he's ready to stay healthy and be pretty useful.  And hopefully the Cubs pitch-lab resources can help to facilitate that.  Or maybe not; I think the Braves are well ahead of the Cubs in those areas, so if they couldn't probably we can't either?

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #1061 on: December 06, 2019, 12:22:22 pm »
The Chicago Cubs working with relief specialist  Brandon Morrow on coming back. It would be a minor league deal . Most likely end of December conclusion.--Levine

I like the idea.  Not sure I really get why a minor-league deal would take weeks and weeks to work out?  Unless there are comeback/health-considerations, and they want to have him keep throwing for a few more weeks to see if his arm holds up before signing the deal? 

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #1062 on: December 06, 2019, 12:28:21 pm »
Are players who sign a minor league contract before the Rule 5 draft are eligible to be drafted? I think I remember that happening once or twice.

If that can happen, then it makes sense to hold off on officially signing a guy who is basically a lock to make the team (if healthy) until after the Rule 5 draft.

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« Reply #1063 on: December 06, 2019, 12:31:16 pm »
What is his options status, I assume he's got at least a year, based on your comment?  And where is the best website for finding stuff like that?  True Iowa-shuttle requires not only that you can start him there and call him up as need arises, but also that you can send him back and call him back again later. 

He was pretty good two seasons ago.  Basically lost three to injury, 14-15 to 2014 TJ, and then broke his elbow and lost 16.  So who knows, maybe he's at a stage where he's ready to stay healthy and be pretty useful.  And hopefully the Cubs pitch-lab resources can help to facilitate that.  Or maybe not; I think the Braves are well ahead of the Cubs in those areas, so if they couldn't probably we can't either?

Fangraphs lists him as having 3 options left and the fact that somebody mentioned he had a split deal as well would confirm an option.

I like the idea.  Not sure I really get why a minor-league deal would take weeks and weeks to work out?  Unless there are comeback/health-considerations, and they want to have him keep throwing for a few more weeks to see if his arm holds up before signing the deal? 

They likely wouldn't want to announce it until after the Rule 5 draft.

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #1064 on: December 06, 2019, 12:34:23 pm »
Double thanks, for fangraphs as go-to for options, and for the Rule 5 factor.