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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #1065 on: December 06, 2019, 12:59:20 pm »
Winkler doesnt strike me as total dog ****.

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #1066 on: December 06, 2019, 01:12:11 pm »
Apparently the Cubs are still paying Brad Brach next year.

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Free-agent RHP Brad Brach signs with #Mets, one year, $850K with a player option for $1.25M in 2021, sources tell The Athletic. Brach still owed $500K by #Cubs for 2020, so actually will earn total of $1.35M next season.

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #1067 on: December 06, 2019, 01:18:26 pm »
Why didn't the Mets just sign Brach for the minimum? It appears they saved the Cubs about $300K by paying him $850K instead.

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For interested Cubs fans - they were already on the hook for $1.35M to Brach in 2020, so this deal actually winds up *saving* the Cubs $850K. Thanks, Mets!

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« Reply #1068 on: December 06, 2019, 01:19:48 pm »
He has incentives for games pitched so I wonder if that could shrink it another $400,000.

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« Reply #1069 on: December 06, 2019, 01:38:00 pm »
Maybe that's the reason--if they only paid him the minimum, he'd have to earn another $800K in incentives for them to matter. By paying the extra $300K, the incentives start to increase his actual take home pay sooner.

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« Reply #1070 on: December 06, 2019, 05:21:27 pm »
What is his options status, I assume he's got at least a year, based on your comment?  And where is the best website for finding stuff like that?  True Iowa-shuttle requires not only that you can start him there and call him up as need arises, but also that you can send him back and call him back again later. 

He was pretty good two seasons ago.  Basically lost three to injury, 14-15 to 2014 TJ, and then broke his elbow and lost 16.  So who knows, maybe he's at a stage where he's ready to stay healthy and be pretty useful.  And hopefully the Cubs pitch-lab resources can help to facilitate that.  Or maybe not; I think the Braves are well ahead of the Cubs in those areas, so if they couldn't probably we can't either?

Craig, Arizona Phil is your man for all such matters.  Here's a link to his 40-man roster which he keeps updated in a pretty timely fashion.  And here's a link about Winkler specifically.

https://www.thecubreporter.com/cubs-40-man-roster

https://www.thecubreporter.com/12062019/cubs-give-wink-and-nod-righty-reliever

An important excerpt:

Winkler has two minor league options left, but because he spent so much time on the Braves MLB DL 2015-17 he has already accrued more than four years of MLB Service Time, and so once he acrues another 109 days he will hit five years of MLB ST and his remaining options will be effectively not usable since he would have to give his permission before he can be optioned once he reaches 5+000 MLB Service Time.

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #1071 on: December 06, 2019, 05:31:26 pm »
once he acrues another 109 days he will hit five years of MLB ST and his remaining options will be effectively not usable since he would have to give his permission before he can be optioned once he reaches 5+000 MLB Service Time.

Thanks, Jeff.  Really helpful.  So 109 days of yo-yo control...  Not quite as nice as three option-years of yo-yo! 

Still, that's most of this year.  109 days in, it's July, and of course by september nobody gets yo-yo'd.  HOpefully by July he'll be good enough that they aren't wanting to send him down.  I suppose if he's kinda interchangeable with some other yo-yos, they could potentially send him down on day 108, then he can hang out at Iowa in case they do need him back after day 109.

 

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #1072 on: December 06, 2019, 07:19:15 pm »
Is Theo too gutless and cowardly to make a major trade?  Discuss.

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« Reply #1073 on: December 06, 2019, 07:29:44 pm »
I know you're just being inflammatory for its own sake, but the truth is Theo is fuched.  Every team knows his ownership won't let him spend any money and he's under tremendous pressure to shake things up via trade.  He looks desperate, because he is.  That means any potential trade partner is going to be shaking him down big-time.  And that could very well mean no major trades.

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« Reply #1074 on: December 06, 2019, 07:31:59 pm »
I agree, but he's not ignorant - then don't say that you want to make trades.

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« Reply #1075 on: December 06, 2019, 07:34:29 pm »
I find it funny that everyone is so certain they know exactly what's going to and not going to happen right up until they dont.

Im gonna let things play out before I judge the offseason.

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #1076 on: December 06, 2019, 10:17:20 pm »
https://www.cubsinsider.com/2019/12/06/changing-dan-winklers-mechanics-could-unlock-potential-of-elite-spin-rate/amp/?p=76492&__twitter_impression=true

So it’s kinda of a fun article that goes into spin rates and effective spin rates. Basically Winkler’s arm slot makes his effective spin rate stink. If the Cubs can move his release point up and he retains his spin then he could really interesting.

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #1077 on: December 07, 2019, 04:34:49 pm »
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Give us a prediction as to what you think the Cubs might do this week

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Big trade by end of the week. Bryant ? I think we’re getting closer to that reality. (Could be someone else)


Seems like a pretty bold prediction.

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #1078 on: December 07, 2019, 04:43:47 pm »
If the Cubs are going to trade Bryant, they need to do it soon while Rendon and Donaldson are still out there. If they free up Bryant's money, surely they'd at least talk to those guys.

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #1079 on: December 07, 2019, 09:51:15 pm »
They will probably talk to them regardless of any trades.