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JeffH

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« Reply #1200 on: December 10, 2019, 09:11:42 pm »
The counter argument to that is that they've spent quite a bit of money post-WS.  Of course, with the woeful Theo in charge, it's been spent poorly.
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« Reply #1201 on: December 10, 2019, 09:28:26 pm »
Quote from: CUBluejays on December 10, 2019, 07:39:51 pm
The players they get back won’t be as good as Bryant so the Cubs are going to be worse.

Why assume they will not be as good?
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« Reply #1202 on: December 10, 2019, 09:33:27 pm »
**IF** they need to clear $6M, it seems ironic that they want to trade Bryant to enable that.  I think I'd rather meet payroll by moving Q than by moving Bryant!  :):)  If they're in some crisis over-budget mode, seems pretty weird to have voluntarily put themselves there for the sake of Q. 

Or how about this:  how about conning somebody into taking Kimbrell, who Theo thought was worth $45?  He's going to cost about what Bryant costs, payroll-wise!  :):) 

The Cubs top 8 salaries:  Darvish ($22), Heyward ($21), Lester ($20), Bryant (~$19?), Rizzo ($16.5), Kimbrel ($16), Chatwood ($13), Hendricks ($12), Quintana ($10.5).  Five of those 8 salaries are pitchers, almost $100M on those 5 pitchers. 

I think it's hard to fault ownership when they entrusted Theo with so much money and so much authority.  If their guy spends a ton on busts, and spends a ton on front-office and scouting and development people who are ineffective at scouting, drafting, and developing. 

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« Reply #1203 on: December 10, 2019, 09:36:34 pm »
Quote from: craig on December 10, 2019, 09:33:27 pm
**IF** they need to clear $6M, it seems ironic that they want to trade Bryant to enable that.  I think I'd rather meet payroll by moving Q than by moving Bryant!  :):)  If they're in some crisis over-budget mode, seems pretty weird to have voluntarily put themselves there for the sake of Q. 

Or how about this:  how about conning somebody into taking Kimbrell, who Theo thought was worth $45?  He's going to cost about what Bryant costs, payroll-wise!  :):) 

The Cubs top 8 salaries:  Darvish ($22), Heyward ($21), Lester ($20), Bryant (~$19?), Rizzo ($16.5), Kimbrel ($16), Chatwood ($13), Hendricks ($12), Quintana ($10.5).  Five of those 8 salaries are pitchers, almost $100M on those 5 pitchers. 

I think it's hard to fault ownership when they entrusted Theo with so much money and so much authority.  If their guy spends a ton on busts, and spends a ton on front-office and scouting and development people who are ineffective at scouting, drafting, and developing. 



Theo has made plenty of mistakes. But the main reason he had to overpay for Kimbrel is that Ricketts wouldn’t let him spend any money to fix the bullpen in the winter.
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« Reply #1204 on: December 10, 2019, 09:40:19 pm »
David Ross said trade rumors about Bryant and others "makes the job real." Knows front office has a responsibility to explore everything. At same time...

"The rumors aren't always as true as they may seem and I see that even more now that I'm behind the curtain, so to speak."
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« Reply #1205 on: December 10, 2019, 09:43:22 pm »
Because the Rays aren’t trading Wander Franco?

Getting 2-3 players that total up to Bryant’s WAR isn’t as good as having Bryant on the team.
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« Reply #1206 on: December 10, 2019, 09:45:44 pm »
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« Reply #1207 on: December 10, 2019, 09:46:42 pm »
Cubs GM Jed Hoyer indicated the team isn't likely to complete a significant deal before the end of the meetings on Thursday: "I'd lean no but that can change quickly. It's still early in the week. We're not at halftime yet, so to speak." Hoyer confirmed... https://t.co/YflN0oYC5M
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« Reply #1208 on: December 10, 2019, 09:55:44 pm »
Quote from: craig on December 10, 2019, 09:33:27 pm
**IF** they need to clear $6M, it seems ironic that they want to trade Bryant to enable that.  I think I'd rather meet payroll by moving Q than by moving Bryant!  :):)  If they're in some crisis over-budget mode, seems pretty weird to have voluntarily put themselves there for the sake of Q. 

Or how about this:  how about conning somebody into taking Kimbrell, who Theo thought was worth $45?  He's going to cost about what Bryant costs, payroll-wise!  :):) 

Is the 6 million they have to clear 6 million in salary, or 6 million in luxury tax money.  There can be quite a difference between them.

By the way, have we decided that Kimbrell will not be worth his salary next year?  That may be taking recentism a bit too far a bit too soon.
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« Reply #1209 on: December 10, 2019, 09:55:45 pm »
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« Reply #1210 on: December 10, 2019, 09:55:54 pm »
It's really remarkable how quickly a "top" MLB front office can "jump the shark" and become one of the worst.
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« Reply #1211 on: December 10, 2019, 09:58:33 pm »
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« Reply #1212 on: December 10, 2019, 09:59:20 pm »
Quote from: Deeg on December 10, 2019, 09:36:34 pm
Theo has made plenty of mistakes. But the main reason he had to overpay for Kimbrel is that Ricketts wouldn’t let him spend any money to fix the bullpen in the winter.

The reason it needed to be fixed in the first place was Theo's horrible signing of Morrow.  I'll always be grateful for 2016, but, let's be honest, Theo has become one of the worst executives in MLB.
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« Reply #1213 on: December 10, 2019, 09:59:51 pm »
LMFAO
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« Reply #1214 on: December 10, 2019, 10:19:36 pm »
The Cubs leaving San Diego without a big trade or adding impact players to the 2020 roster is certainly frustrating for fans who are still trying to wrap their heads around how this team has gone from a potential dynasty to one that is now likely breaking up the core of players.--quote from above article posted by Dusty.
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