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JeffH

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #1215 on: December 10, 2019, 10:20:43 pm »
What's the big surprise?  Bad leadership leads to bad results.
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CUBluejays

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #1216 on: December 10, 2019, 10:35:01 pm »
Quote from: davep on December 10, 2019, 09:55:44 pm
Is the 6 million they have to clear 6 million in salary, or 6 million in luxury tax money.  There can be quite a difference between them.

By the way, have we decided that Kimbrell will not be worth his salary next year?  That may be taking recentism a bit too far a bit too soon.

The $6 million is to get below the luxury tax and then every dollar the Cubs spend needs to be matched by and additional amount of money cleared. So if Quintana and Conteras where traded that would leave the Cubs with around $8 million to spend to finish out the roster and account for additional spending during the year.

Rogers is saying the  ubs have to clear Bryant’s $18 million to be able to afford a second baseman that will cost around $2-4 million a year.
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Ron

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« Reply #1217 on: December 10, 2019, 10:38:08 pm »
Quote from: CUBluejays on December 10, 2019, 10:35:01 pm
The $6 million is to get below the luxury tax and then every dollar the Cubs spend needs to be matched by and additional amount of money cleared. So if Quintana and Conteras where traded that would leave the Cubs with around $8 million to spend to finish out the roster and account for additional spending during the year.

Rogers is saying the  ubs have to clear Bryant’s $18 million to be able to afford a second baseman that will cost around $2-4 million a year.

I'm not sure Rogers actually said that, but he did predict that the Cubs would make a major trade this week. I recommend a high sodium diet for all of us during this period.
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CUBluejays

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #1218 on: December 10, 2019, 10:56:26 pm »
He said it in ESPN radio and Kaplan’s NBC Show. His explanation for no Bryant trade this week is the Cubs waiting for Donaldson and Rendon to sign being something that he didn’t understand. I didn’t think the Bryant stuff last year had any merit. This year is different and pretty much every reporter is saying the Cubs are staying under the luxury because Ricketts wants them too.

I’ve been happy with Ricketts and Theo. This off-season is closing the window on the Cubs competing for a World Series, until they get another superstar to replace Bryant. Since the Cubs have no money and no farm system that should be pretty simple.
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Jack Birdbath

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #1219 on: December 11, 2019, 08:05:38 am »
Just a reminder that the Cubs could afford Cole, Stras, and Rendon if they wanted those guys.  Do not confuse ability to pay with desire to pay.
« Last Edit: December 11, 2019, 09:52:08 am by Jack Birdbath »
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brjones

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #1220 on: December 11, 2019, 09:50:57 am »
Not sure this is actually news...Cubs are not talking to Rizzo about an extension this offseason:

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28274116/agent-cubs-working-anthony-rizzo-extension

It's probably a good idea to wait on an extension--he'll be 32 when his contract runs out, and he has chronic back problems. He's not the best candidate to extend early.
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Ron

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #1221 on: December 11, 2019, 10:43:57 am »
The Jesse Rogers story cited by brjones seems to suggest that the decision not to extend Rizzo with two years left on his contract is some sort of big deal, and the headline even suggests Rizzo might walk after those two years.

Rizzo, as his agent points out, has made it clear that he wants to be a Cub for life, and there is no other player who is more likely to make a team friendly deal when the time comes.  With the Cubs focused on the future of Baez, Bryant, Contreras, and even Schwarber, there is no reason to spend the time and effort on working out an extension for Rizzo at this time.

Some fans on twitter are already freaking out over this, along with other non-events.  It's just that time of year. 
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davep

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #1222 on: December 11, 2019, 10:47:06 am »
Quote from: Jack Birdbath on December 11, 2019, 08:05:38 am
Just a reminder that the Cubs could afford Cole, Stras, and Rendon if they wanted those guys.  Do not confuse ability to pay with desire to pay.

And do not confuse the ability to pay with a rational decision of whether or not to pay.
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brjones

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #1223 on: December 11, 2019, 10:49:11 am »
Steve Phillips tweeted this in response to an MLB Network video saying that the Mets are willing to trade Nimmo:

Steve Phillips @StevePhillipsGM
The Cubs are desperate for an affordable center fielder who can be a leadoff hitter.  Nimmo would be a good fit.

Aren't the Mets willing to trade Nimmo specifically because he can't really play CF?
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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #1224 on: December 11, 2019, 11:25:29 am »
Quote from: brjones on December 11, 2019, 10:49:11 am
Steve Phillips tweeted this in response to an MLB Network video saying that the Mets are willing to trade Nimmo:

Steve Phillips @StevePhillipsGM
The Cubs are desperate for an affordable center fielder who can be a leadoff hitter.  Nimmo would be a good fit.

Aren't the Mets willing to trade Nimmo specifically because he can't really play CF?

Small details.........
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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #1225 on: December 11, 2019, 12:03:08 pm »
If the Cubs locked up Rizzo for even 2-3 more years they might be able to get a lower AAV, helping free up even a tiny bit of money.
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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #1226 on: December 11, 2019, 12:08:41 pm »
I don't think we'd get a lower AAV for Rizzo than the $16.5 million he's making next year.  Paul Goldschmidt got $26 million a year in his extension last year...he's had a better career than Rizzo, but not by $10 million a year.
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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #1227 on: December 11, 2019, 02:29:51 pm »
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Talking with someone close to #Cubs, sounds like 2 pitching prospects and a bat would get it done for Bryant. They're assuming he loses grievance & has 2 yrs left before free agency). #Braves match up better than other potential suitors if they're willing to part with prospects.

I like the Braves as a partner a lot better when Fried is in the mix and the Cubs would be getting someone who could provide immediate impact. But I guess maybe the Braves would be very reluctant to do that.

If Levine's article from yesterday was right and Victor Robles plus a prospect could be in play with the Nationals, I think I'd prefer that to any all-prospects package. But I'm pretty skeptical that he'd actually be available.
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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #1228 on: December 11, 2019, 02:41:23 pm »
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They're assuming he loses grievance & has 2 yrs left before free agency

That's pretty surprising they expect to lose the grievance if this rumor is accurate.  That'll have some major ramifications around baseball if they lose it. 

Quite frankly if I was looking at this as a non-Cubs fan, I'd probably even say we'd deserve to lose the grievance, but I would have thought we'd be likely to win it.
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Jack Birdbath

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Re: Cubs in '20
« Reply #1229 on: December 11, 2019, 02:43:43 pm »
Quote from: JR on December 11, 2019, 02:41:23 pm
That's pretty surprising they expect to lose the grievance if this rumor is accurate.  That'll have some major ramifications around baseball if they lose it. 

Quite frankly if I was looking at this as a non-Cubs fan, I'd probably even say we'd deserve to lose the grievance, but I would have thought we'd be likely to win it.

They expect Bryant to lose.
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