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Ron

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« Reply #1590 on: June 11, 2021, 03:00:22 pm »
Rizzo is one of the Cubs who "chose not to be vaccinated".  That's pretty disappointing.

That is extremely surprising. How did you learn about this?

Reb

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Re: Cubs in '21
« Reply #1591 on: June 11, 2021, 03:04:08 pm »
Just google “Rizzo vaccinated”

Ron

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« Reply #1592 on: June 11, 2021, 03:23:44 pm »
Thanks, Reb. I am beyond disappointed. I'm pretty hard-assed on this subject. Not only is the team's ability to perform affected, lives could be permanently affected as well. Rizzo also doesn't seem to have been all that rigorous about wearing his mask in the dugout, as I recall either.   

I have to admit that it affects my opinion of Rizzo and his leadership role on the team. I'm sure few, if anyone here, agree with me, but [/size]I will feel very differently now if Rizzo ends up not being extended.
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« Reply #1593 on: June 11, 2021, 04:06:25 pm »
There needs to be some nuance when discussing COVID vaccines.  There can be people that are vaccine hesitant that may decline to get the vaccine now and still get it at some point in the future.  Then there are anti-vaccine nut jobs.  Sogard's wife is an anti-vaccine nut job.  Rizzo might be anti-vaccine or he might be vaccine hesitant and there is a big distinction between the 2 and we frankly don't have enough info to say one way or other what he is.

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« Reply #1594 on: June 11, 2021, 04:17:18 pm »
For me, the anti-vax proselytizers are a dangerous bunch and deserve scorn.

Rizzo isn’t doing that. He has come to a personal decision, albeit a stupid decision, but we’ve all said or done stupid things. We’re human.

Still a big fan of Rizzo. A great Cub and a person who does worthy things in his life. He’s entitled to be stupid on occasion.

Will be very disappointed if he’s elsewhere in 2022.
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Ron

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« Reply #1595 on: June 11, 2021, 04:40:23 pm »
For me, the anti-vax proselytizers are a dangerous bunch and deserve scorn.

Rizzo isn’t doing that. He has come to a personal decision, albeit a stupid decision, but we’ve all said or done stupid things. We’re human.

Still a big fan of Rizzo. A great Cub and a person who does worthy things in his life. He’s entitled to be stupid on occasion.

Will be very disappointed if he’s elsewhere in 2022.

I understand. I respect that point of view. Like I said, I may be the only one who feels this way. My view is that as the team's acknowledged leader, he's not just failing to be a good example, he's doing the exact opposite, giving cover for guys who might get vaccinated otherwise.  If Heyward is also not vaccinated, as someone said, that would be true of him as well.  This is serious stuff.

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« Reply #1596 on: June 11, 2021, 04:51:43 pm »
I'd like to be able to sit down with a guy like Rizzo and have him explain his reasoning to me.  BTW, the University of California has just issued a vaccination requirement for anyone working on campus (with rare exceptions).

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« Reply #1597 on: June 11, 2021, 05:16:47 pm »
I understand. I respect that point of view. Like I said, I may be the only one who feels this way. My view is that as the team's acknowledged leader, he's not just failing to be a good example, he's doing the exact opposite, giving cover for guys who might get vaccinated otherwise.  If Heyward is also not vaccinated, as someone said, that would be true of him as well.  This is serious stuff.

The problem is Rizzo's "personal" stupid decision impacts other people.  He's now a much greater threat to others - the small % of vaccinated individuals who could get COVID anyway, the other stupid people like Sogard, and worst of all those who can't get vaxxed for legit medical reasons.

This, to me, is the very definition of a first world problem.  I live in a country where I'm desperate to get vaccinated and can't, because the government has completely bungled the rollout.  Many live in countries where there's not yet enough vaccine supply.  Meanwhile in the US you literally have trucks driving around offering shots, cash and prizes are being offered to incentivize people, and people are still refusing.  This doesn't do America's perception in the world any good.

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« Reply #1598 on: June 11, 2021, 06:13:44 pm »
A lot of words that explain absolutely nothing


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« Reply #1599 on: June 11, 2021, 07:00:29 pm »
What a bunch of ludicrous jibber-jabber that is.

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« Reply #1600 on: June 11, 2021, 07:43:35 pm »
How long do hamstring injuries usually last?  I heard that Hoerner began a little light activity this week, hitting off tee.  He's been 2.5 weeks now, hopefully he'll be back within a couple of weeks.

Justin Steele was also supposedly hamstring, and not sure how that could have been very severe.  He's been a little over 3 weeks now.  Getting the good Steele back could help a lot.  I imagine after a bunch of weeks off, he'll need some throwing time, too. 

I tend to think of hamstring injuries more as running injuries, so Hoerner wanting to sprint out a double might seem to make hamstring stuff a worse challenge for him.  But every pitch from a oitcher they're using each leg and stretching and applying tremendous force.  I don't know whether the types of stretches and forces that a pitcher applies actually involve hamstrings much or not, but maybe for a pitcher getting it 100% super-duper recovered is more important? 

Also a risk that for a guy with control challenges to start with, any injury can perhaps endanger good mechanics.  Or that even if he is fine physically, losing the good mechanics groove he was in might make it hard to bounce back and return to his early-season effectiveness that was unexpected in the first place.

But man, **IF** you could keep the existing bullpen going as great as it has, and then magically add back in good Steele, that would make it even more awesome.  Heh heh, then for Curt and reb's sake, why not add a healthy, 100% Rowan Wick, too? 

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« Reply #1601 on: June 11, 2021, 07:46:04 pm »
Lobaton has #7, last worn by Victor Caratini.

Compared to the garbage number he had with the Nationals (where we picked him off first base in the playoffs on one of those questionable bounce-off-the-base-for-a-microsecond tags), I totally approve.

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« Reply #1602 on: June 11, 2021, 07:51:39 pm »
I have never kept track, but I usually assume that a hamstring that is not referred to as severe will take about a month of rest and then about 10 days on rehab in the minors.  I really don't remember very many pitchers having hamstring problems, perhaps they don't often run the bases, and when they do, they mostly jog.

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« Reply #1603 on: June 11, 2021, 08:21:08 pm »
Depends on what grade it is. I believe Steele and Hoerner where grade 1 strains which are usually 4-6 weeks.
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« Reply #1604 on: June 11, 2021, 09:00:23 pm »
Little Sergio Alcantara has eleven hits in the big leagues.  Eight have gone for extra bases.
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