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Dave23

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Re: Cubs in '22
« Reply #2100 on: October 03, 2022, 09:03:43 pm »
Since Jeff is asking…how about Devers?
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« Reply #2101 on: October 03, 2022, 09:15:19 pm »
I would like to see Cubs bring back Robertson in 2023 to close. Yeah, he’s old and might take a 2-year deal but think would really solidify 2023 bullpen. A guy like that, if not Robertson specifically.
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« Reply #2102 on: October 03, 2022, 09:32:47 pm »
Quote from: Dave23 on October 03, 2022, 09:03:43 pm
Since Jeff is asking…how about Devers?

Going to be very interesting to see if Devers is rostered and protected from the Rule 5.

Big factor of course is whether Cubs anticipate another club will draft and keep the player in big leagues for 2023, as required. Don’t see that much with a pitcher just in Class A and not a power, big upside guy, like Devers. If Cubs thinking that way, Devers perhaps not rostered considering the big roster crunch—even though Cubs probably value him quite a bit.

Danis Correa, on other hand, seems like a likely pick who might stay in big leagues filling a role for a drafting team in 2023, as a AAA-experienced  power reliever. Everybody looking for guys like that for 2023.

Cubs might even value Devers somewhat more than Correa but figure can keep both with that strategy.

Just speculating of course. Who knows what the strategy will be.
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« Reply #2103 on: October 03, 2022, 09:52:02 pm »
If Stroman is at the top your rotation, it’s not a very good rotation given that he’s not a TORP.  We don’t need to pair someone with him at the top, we need to replace him at the top.
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« Reply #2104 on: October 03, 2022, 10:47:06 pm »
But Deeg is you look at that list of FA, once you eliminate the guys retiring, the options probably not freeing the better pitchers, and old guys, you finally get down to Wade Miley and Jose Quintada.  Holy sh*t. 

I think we might have to look for a major trade rather than a FA.  An ugly trade like Sale, Story, and Hosmer from Boston for Steele, Wisdom, and Morel.   I'd hate that.
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« Reply #2105 on: October 03, 2022, 10:52:23 pm »
If you bring in someone better than Stroman, you’re not “replacing” Stroman in any real sense. Stroman is still there.

All for bringing in that #1 guy but keep in mind that only 18 Qualified Starting pitchers in NL with ERA below 4.00. Stroman at 3.50 a #2 guy. Not at very top, but top end. Will be happy if can acquire another guy like that. Would be very happy with two legit, established #2s at top end of rotation.

Rodon was a #1 in 2022. But, Rodon and Stroman have had very similar careers. One guy got 2/$44 before this season; other guy got 2/$50. Stroman has pitched one additional year and has 3.4 more bWAR, basically a wash. Their career ERA+ is almost identical (116/115).

Should not surprise anybody if Stroman is as good or better than Rodon in 2023, given how similar their careers have been. If turns out Cubs have both in 2023 and they have seasons similar to their career comps, that would be a very good outcome. Not Burnes/Woodruff but that would be, at minimum, similar to 2022 Cards Mikolas/Wainwright top end duo and can win with that.
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« Reply #2106 on: October 03, 2022, 10:53:08 pm »
Quote from: CurtOne on October 03, 2022, 10:47:06 pm
But Deeg is you look at that list of FA, once you eliminate the guys retiring, the options probably not freeing the better pitchers, and old guys, you finally get down to Wade Miley and Jose Quintada.  Holy sh*t. 

I think we might have to look for a major trade rather than a FA.  An ugly trade like Sale, Story, and Hosmer from Boston for Steele, Wisdom, and Morel.   I'd hate that.

You could make a case to offer a huge money short-term deal to somebody like deGrom or even Verlander.  But despite the comp pick Rodon is the one that seems to make the most sense.
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« Reply #2107 on: October 03, 2022, 10:55:48 pm »
Quote from: Deeg on October 03, 2022, 10:53:08 pm
You could make a case to offer a huge money short-term deal to somebody like deGrom or even Verlander.  But despite the comp pick Rodon is the one that seems to make the most sense.
They have to opt out first.  That's a lot to hope for.
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« Reply #2108 on: October 03, 2022, 10:59:30 pm »
Quote from: CurtOne on October 03, 2022, 10:55:48 pm
They have to opt out first.  That's a lot to hope for.

I expect both will.  We’ll see.

Then again, if the going rate for #1 starters on good long-term contracts is what the Padres gave up for Darvish, sign me up.
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« Reply #2109 on: October 03, 2022, 11:01:52 pm »
Quote from: CurtOne on October 03, 2022, 10:55:48 pm
They have to opt out first.  That's a lot to hope for.

DeGrom [for Dave P] has said all year that he’s opting out.

https://www.si.com/mlb/mets/news/new-york-jacob-degrom-still-plans-to-opt-out-mets-brandon-nimmo-edwin-diaz-taijuan-walker
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« Reply #2110 on: October 03, 2022, 11:03:03 pm »
Okay, good.  I'm good with chasing him, BUT who do we have to outbid and will Hoyer do so?
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« Reply #2111 on: October 03, 2022, 11:14:43 pm »
Quote from: CurtOne on October 03, 2022, 11:03:03 pm
Okay, good.  I'm good with chasing him, BUT who do we have to outbid and will Hoyer do so?

The latter question is certainly a valid one.  There’s also the matter of convincing an older guy like Jake that he has a chance to win a ring with the Cubs.  I suspect you’d have to outbid serious contenders by a lot.  I’m thinking something like 3 years, $125 million.
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« Reply #2112 on: October 04, 2022, 07:17:33 am »
Quote from: Reb on October 03, 2022, 09:32:47 pm
Going to be very interesting to see if Devers is rostered and protected from the Rule 5.

Big factor of course is whether Cubs anticipate another club will draft and keep the player in big leagues for 2023, as required. Don’t see that much with a pitcher just in Class A and not a power, big upside guy, like Devers. If Cubs thinking that way, Devers perhaps not rostered considering the big roster crunch—even though Cubs probably value him quite a bit.

Danis Correa, on other hand, seems like a likely pick who might stay in big leagues filling a role for a drafting team in 2023, as a AAA-experienced  power reliever. Everybody looking for guys like that for 2023.

Cubs might even value Devers somewhat more than Correa but figure can keep both with that strategy.

Just speculating of course. Who knows what the strategy will be.

I think Dave was talking about trading for Rafael Devers.
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Re: Cubs in '22
« Reply #2113 on: October 04, 2022, 08:50:30 am »
Quote from: JeffH on October 04, 2022, 07:17:33 am
I think Dave was talking about trading for Rafael Devers.

Obviously he was, but even as much of a butcher as Devers is defensively I imagine the cost there would be pretty steep.  Nonetheless he is the sort of guy I was referring to - two years left on his contract, and the Red Sox may be looking to shake things up a bit.  I imagine the Cubs would prefer somebody older and making more money so the cost in prospects would be less, but that guy might be hard to find.
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« Reply #2114 on: October 04, 2022, 09:25:13 am »
Only one year left.  He'll be a free agent after the 2023 season.
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