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Deeg

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« Reply #450 on: December 01, 2022, 05:41:09 pm »
Heyman lists the Cubs as favorites for Swanson, FWIW.

He’s just one of a jillion SP names the Cubs have been linked with, but I’m vibing that the Cubs are going to sign Taillon for some reason.  It just seems like a move this FO would make.  I’d be fine with him on something like 4/$60 but you certainly can’t sell him as a TORP.
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« Reply #451 on: December 02, 2022, 09:52:33 am »
Taillon would be my choice after Senga.  It doesn't sound like the Cubs are shooting for a TORP.
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« Reply #452 on: December 02, 2022, 10:09:01 am »
If I understand the definitions correctly, the only TORP free agents out there are Verlander and DeGrom.  It doesn't sound like they are that interested in either at the reported prices, and I tend to agree with them.

I would like to see them acquire Senga, although there are a lot of other teams that also would like to sign him.  The Cubs outbid everyone else when they signed Suzuki, and I suspect that they will do the same with Senga, if feel the price is worth it.
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« Reply #453 on: December 02, 2022, 11:07:22 am »
Dave, Carlos Rodon would be the other guy.  He's 29. 

Any and every team would like a stud like that at his age.  He could remain in his prime for many year.  That's why Hoyer is afraid to even try to compete for him, why would a 29-year-old star choose the Cubs when he can go to any contender in the game and get paid a zillion? 

Verlander will be 40.  deGrom 35, coming off 15-game and 11-game seasons. 

Agree, Hoyer seems unlikely to try to outbid everybody else for Rodon, or deGrom or Verlander. 
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davep

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« Reply #454 on: December 02, 2022, 03:52:14 pm »
Rodon is indeed a top pitcher.  But he has had more years as an injured pitcher than as an effective pitcher, and the risk is not inconsiderable.

I'm not sure why you say that Hoyer is afraid to compete for him.  Is it not possible that he feels that he is merely not worth his asking price.  For that matter, do we really know that he is not competing for him?  I don't think that very many national reporters were forcasting that Suzuki coming to the Cubs.  Some on this board even felt that Hoyer was not even trying to get him.
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« Reply #455 on: December 02, 2022, 05:08:05 pm »
Absolutely, Rodon has risk.  The price for any top-end player is always higher, so higher risk.  Rodon and Smyly and Senga all have risk that they won't be good or will get hurt.  Inevitable that the better a pitcher is and the more he costs, the greater the risk in case you get nothing out of the money invested. 

Boras pretty much always claims he has some "secret" bidder, so Hoyer may become that guy, who knows?  But most likely Hoyer isn't pursuing the most elite guy on the pitching market.  Sharma used "monitor" for Senga, not "pursue".  In Rodon's case, I imagine Hoyer might at best be "monitoring", not "pursuing". 

A guy of Rodon's caliber can get a zillion from any contending club that he'd like to sign with.  For him to prefer the Cubs to the contenders, Hoyer would need to offer Zillion+20%.  Why would Rodon otherwise sign with the Cubs if they don't offer 20% more than the powerhouse teams?  Rodon will be risky and expensive at the zillion that he'll get from the contenders market; I'm doubtful that Hoyer wants to not only meet the market zillion plus also supersede it by an additional 20%.

If I'm wrong, I'll be pleasantly surprised.  :)
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« Reply #456 on: December 02, 2022, 05:43:37 pm »
Cubs unable to get Rylan Bannon thru waivers.

Claimed by Astros.
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davep

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« Reply #457 on: December 02, 2022, 05:52:49 pm »
There goes the 2023 season.
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« Reply #458 on: December 02, 2022, 05:53:49 pm »
Unless, of course, the Astros put Rylan Bannon on waivers, and the Cubs reclaim him again.

We can at least dream.
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« Reply #459 on: December 02, 2022, 07:57:42 pm »
If the Cubs plan was to do their usual bargain basement shopping, it's increasingly looking like they picked the wrong year for it.
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« Reply #460 on: December 03, 2022, 03:45:19 pm »
And just now...

Sources: #Cubs and #Phillies among teams showing active interest in free agent Dansby Swanson, ahead of next week's winter meetings in San Diego.--Morosi
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« Reply #461 on: December 03, 2022, 03:49:45 pm »
Dansby Swanson: If rumors are true that the Braves didn’t accede to his $140 million counter — the same deal Trevor Story and Javier Baez got — it’s obvious why some Atlanta people are pessimistic. Still, he is from Georgia. Favorites: 1. Cubs; 2. Braves.--Heyman
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« Reply #462 on: December 03, 2022, 05:13:59 pm »
I would dearly love for the Cubs to get either Correa or Turner. My guess is that both will get outrageously huge contracts (in both money and term) but I would be fine with me if the Cubs go out on a limb for either. Nevertheless, I would not complain if they end up with Swanson (or Bogaerts).
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« Reply #463 on: December 03, 2022, 08:03:31 pm »
Trying to spread the (theoretically) available dollars across our needs, it would be extremely helpful if we could find a cheap solution for CF.  Having to budget $10+ for the likes of Bellinger or Kiermaier is a killer.
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« Reply #464 on: December 03, 2022, 08:18:51 pm »
Quote from: JeffH on December 03, 2022, 08:03:31 pm
Trying to spread the (theoretically) available dollars across our needs, it would be extremely helpful if we could find a cheap solution for CF.  Having to budget $10+ for the likes of Bellinger or Kiermaier is a killer.

An Arizona trade is the most obvious way to do that.  The question is what you give up.

I don't know that I agree with the central premise though, even if I'm agnostic about Bellinger and downright atheist about Kiermaier.  There's no way the Cubs should be in a position where they have to conserve on short-term spending to that extent.  Especially when you consider the money Hoyer was supposedly "banking" by not spending it the last two years.  Realistically it's not like they're going to sign all of Correa/Bogaerts, a TORP, an established closer - it's just not gonna happen.
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