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craig

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Re: Cubs in ‘24
« Reply #2520 on: November 09, 2024, 03:08:40 pm »
The second condition, how the season actually plays, is more relevant than the first condition, how the roster is perceived going in.  Evaluating who has the best roster going in, of course, can be evaluated by a Fangraphs computer program.  But better evaluated by the actual season. 
-Veteran guys like Taillon, Imanaga, Steele, they can fall off the table pretty quickly.  Fangraphs can have nice big-sample age-decline curves.  But the Cubs will have individuals.  Lackey, Hendricks, Lester, Q, we've got plenty of experience with proven vets who dropped off pretty sharply. 
-The same will apply for whatever Free agent pitcher(s) Hoyer signs, Fried or Peralta or Eovaldi or whomever the one (or two) guys may be.  How good Hoyer and Fangraphs thinks they might be may differ significantly from the reality.  (Duh, Craig, everybody knows that.).
-Likewise wildly unpredictable what the young guys might do. PCA, Amaya, both might hit a lot better.  But, also possible that they may be no better next year than last?  Who knows?  Shaw, Caissie, Triantos may be productive as opportunity allows, like 2016 Contreras, or 2015 Schwarber/Soler/Russell.  Or not, who knows? 
-Brown, Horton, Wicks, Assad, Little, Hodge, we might walk into the playoffs thinking we've never had a good, talented young bullpen like this before, ever...  or not.  Nobody will know in March. 

Tangent on that:  It would be fun if some unexpected relievers turned up successful.  Pearson works on something, and actually ends up being excellent.  Roberts comes back another year from surgery, and suddenly his fastball is up 3mph and his fastball command is back, and he's just a good little pitcher?  Maybe something eventually clicks with Palencia, and he actually turns into a good reliever?  Wesneski?  It could be super fun if the young pitchers turn into a dynamite bullpen. 

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Re: Cubs in ‘24
« Reply #2521 on: November 09, 2024, 03:21:15 pm »
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@JonHeyman
 on Cubs' offseason: "I can see Max Fried as a guy that would really help them a lot. That would be a big one, if they could get him. That may be worth 5 games. You can do it through the pitching. Their positional players look solid."

If you do a little exercise and just substitute Fried’s 2024 innings and earned runs while removing Hendricks’ innings and earned runs, Cubs move from #10 in MLB ERA to #3 in MLB. Takes you from 3.79 to 3.53. The best team ERA in majors was 3.49. So, 3.53 would be very near to best ERA in baseball.

Of course, 2025 is a whole new deal from 2024 and 2024 Cubs pitchers had benefit of Wrigley playing as a pitchers park. Cubs had dramatically better ERA at home than on road—especially Assad and Taillon. 2025 at Wrigley likely will be different in some ways.

Still, would be makings of a very nice rotation with Fried, Steele, Imanaga in top three slots.

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Re: Cubs in ‘24
« Reply #2522 on: November 09, 2024, 05:10:26 pm »
Thanks for thoughts on lux line, everybody.  Agree with deeg, it seems poor (mis)management to go just barely over.  But point well taken, reb, that if nibbling at the threshold, elect to add a Paredes, and have injuries, that can slip you over.  I hadn't heard Ricketts interview saying we were over, without qualifications.  So it is, I guess. 

I am a hypocrite to fault Hoyer for just going over, I confess.  In past, I've disliked the concept of staying $5-10 under to give space for mid-season acquisitions.  I've thought better off to spend near the line at the start.  Maybe you won't need to be trading for guys at deadline if you spent effectively at the start.  And if you spend smart at start, maybe by deadline the team is good and winning is focus, such that nobody cares about lux line.  So, maybe this season is a lesson why Hoyer/Theo have been justified in trying to keep some cushion.  Hoyer did what I've recommended; I'm a hypocrite to fault him for it now!  :):)

Part of my logic in spending near the line, is that *IF* you aren't a good team, you can offload some salary at the deadline.  I'd thought if things went "sell", that Hendricks, Smyly, Gomes, Neris, Taillon, Wisdom might all be contracts you could sell at the deadline.  But Hoyer elected to keep Taillon; Neris was apparently the only salary he was able to offload. Hendricks, Wisdom, Smyly, Gomes, Bote, none of these vet salaries were guys anybody else would take. 

In retrospect, I was surprised last winter that they brought Wisdom back.  I wonder if without him we'd have been under?  That proved a mistake, I think. 



It’s not hypocritical to blame Hoyer for going over.  If the Cubs aren’t committed to being and staying over the CBT line then wasting a season on an 83 win team is a mistake.

I think there is too much emphasis on the Cubs spending this amount of this.  The problem is the Cubs aren’t devloping star players and they aren’t buying or trading for them.  The way the Cubs are set up they have little choice than to be well above the CBT to catch the Brewers.  If the Cubs aren’t going to do that they aren’t catching the Brewers.  If they don’t do it 2027, they won’t catch the Brewers.  After that the payroll resets so maybe there is a chance if the young guys really come on.

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Re: Cubs in ‘24
« Reply #2523 on: November 09, 2024, 06:50:49 pm »

FWIW MLB Trades listed teams with Fried interest.  The Cubs were not listed.

MLBTR:

Max Fried: Six years, $156MM

Tim: Cubs / Anthony: Dodgers / Darragh: Cubs / Steve: Cubs

Heyman:

Max Fried: His 139 ERA-plus is eighth best all-time. The Yankees, Red Sox, Jays, Orioles, Mets, Cubs, Giants and his hometown Dodgers are probable players. Red Sox need a lefty. $166M, 6 years.
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Re: Cubs in ‘24
« Reply #2524 on: November 11, 2024, 10:03:02 am »
Question:  Now that Sasaki will be posted, is the intrepid Jed Hoyer dispatching Suzuki and Imanaga to Sasaki to promote Chicago and has he already studied the Dodger contracts to Yamamoto and Ohtani to see how to get some Japanese airline or auto manufacturer to fund the millions necessary to sign Sasaki?  If not, why not?
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Re: Cubs in ‘24
« Reply #2525 on: November 11, 2024, 10:50:26 am »
How did the Dodgers get Airline and auto manufacturers to fund Yamamoto?

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« Reply #2526 on: November 11, 2024, 11:02:00 am »
If my team (Cubs) has to become the Chiba Lotte Marines in order to win I guess I'll just accept mediocrity.

Give me Max Fried.

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« Reply #2527 on: November 11, 2024, 11:04:40 am »
And don't get me wrong Imanaga and Suzuki have been good signings.

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Re: Cubs in ‘24
« Reply #2528 on: November 11, 2024, 11:11:19 am »
Get ready for a cussing in 3...2...1...

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« Reply #2529 on: November 11, 2024, 11:25:09 am »
I'd say better than "good", Jiggy.

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Re: Cubs in ‘24
« Reply #2530 on: November 11, 2024, 11:34:18 am »
You're right P2.

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Re: Cubs in ‘24
« Reply #2531 on: November 11, 2024, 11:45:12 am »
Sasaki is a FA.  Those guys can always do what they want to do.  The assumption is that he'll want to join Yamamoto and Ohtani and the mighty Dodgers, and just be set up to join the Super-Team.  But every man has his own personality and ambitions.  It's not inconceivable that a guy might say, "I don't want to be the 3rd-fiddle #3 Japanese guy on this team.  I don't want to be the #3 man in the rotation.  I want to be the STAR, I want to be the ace, I want to be the best of the Japanese guys on my team.  I want to be the guy who lifts the underdog and makes them great.  If the Dodgers win the WS, people will say, 'won it without Sazaki, won it with Sazaki, he's a nice support player.  But if I join the Cubs, people wills say 'Sazaki was the key that made it all happen.  Sazaki changed history!'" 

Probable, no, not in the least.  But sometimes weird unexpected things happen that enable teams to become elite.  Who knows, maybe Yamamoto is kind of a jerk or an egomaniac or something, and Sazaki won't like him?  Whereas Imanaga is funny and cool and smart and wise at the personal level, and Sazaki will like him, respect him, and think it would be great to work with him?  Suzuki also seems like a fun and nice personality, too, so maybe he could just click with those guys?  Never know what might trigger somebody's decision.   

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Re: Cubs in ‘24
« Reply #2532 on: November 11, 2024, 11:49:26 am »
How did the Dodgers get Airline and auto manufacturers to fund Yamamoto?


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« Reply #22489 on: October 28, 2024, 03:15:35 pm »

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From Bleacher Nation:

"But the much larger benefit is the enormous profit the Dodgers are making via sponsorship and marketing opportunities. Two Asian airlines alone sponsor the Dodgers, the LA Times reported. Word is, the club’s profit is actually many times the cost to them of Ohtani’s record contract."

I don't think Ohtani was ever going to play anywhere but LA, but this was always going to be the obvious outcome of his contract: wherever he signed, his new team stood to reap enormous financial benefit from sponsorships, ticket sales, and global fan engagement.

Soto doesn't bring Japanese airline sponsorships with him, but the effect will be similar to whatever team signs him: whoever wins the Soto sweepstakes will see a significant portion of his contract covered on 2ndary effects, to say nothing of his performance on the field.

We're not going to sign him, but any Cubs front office official talking about smart spending or lux tax or anything else like that as a reason for not signing Soto is lying through their teeth and insulting your intelligence.

They're not going to sign Soto because winning is not Ricketts' primary goal.

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Re: Cubs in ‘24
« Reply #2533 on: November 11, 2024, 11:53:35 am »
Question:  Now that Sasaki will be posted, is the intrepid Jed Hoyer dispatching Suzuki and Imanaga to Sasaki to promote Chicago and has he already studied the Dodger contracts to Yamamoto and Ohtani to see how to get some Japanese airline or auto manufacturer to fund the millions necessary to sign Sasaki?  If not, why not?

I mean it is even better, because Sasaki falls under the IFA cap so he would be limited to under $5 million or whatever the total cap is and he'd be pre-arb, controlled for 6 years.  You could get a Japanese airline to become a sponsor and it would be pure profit for the Cubs.

The Cubs probably have zero shot at him.

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« Reply #2534 on: November 11, 2024, 11:59:57 am »
I frankly don't accept that winning is not Rickett's primary goal.  Guys like him have too much ego for that.  But he's too risk averse to "go all in" to win.
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