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craig

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Re: On The Farm
« Reply #4545 on: February 21, 2018, 09:23:12 pm »
Thanks, Blue.  Will be fun for the Cubs to be able to participate again.  Would be fun if they were able to hit on somebody good. 

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« Reply #4546 on: February 21, 2018, 09:55:12 pm »
They haven’t really been linked to anyone. Their is a hard throwing Cuban that I’d love to get, but I really wonder if it is Venezuelan kids that the hid due to the political situation it wouldn’t be hard and Mexicans.

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« Reply #4547 on: February 21, 2018, 09:58:33 pm »
I suppose the other Q is whether they spend it largely all on one guy, or split it up. 

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« Reply #4548 on: February 21, 2018, 10:13:35 pm »
They can trade to get the pool up to $8.3 million so that shouldn’t be an issue.

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Re: On The Farm
« Reply #4549 on: February 23, 2018, 10:22:47 am »
http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2018?list=chc

mlb Pipeline ranking, basically Jim Callis's list.  I've always liked his lists, because he usually includes some scouting info.  And especially because I think he still as connections to the Cubs, so sometimes can reflect Cubs thinking about guys.  Or at least Cubs salesmanship. 


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Re: On The Farm
« Reply #4550 on: February 23, 2018, 10:29:32 am »
Speaks to the badness of the current Cubs farm position group when Callis has only the following players in the top 30:
Caratini (lacks power and doesn't catch very well), Wilson (nice dancer but can't hit), Velasquez (I'm very interested for sure, but I think hitting for contact will be a huge challenge), Zagunis, Bote (utility prospect who'll be below-average wherever he fields), Zac Short (utility guy who hit only .250 in A-ball), and Galindo. 

I'm a huge optimist, but that's possibly the worst position group on paper I can ever remember during years of following Cubs prospects closely.  (Granted, perhaps I was a huge optimist but also more naively hopeful in some younger days.....) 

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« Reply #4551 on: February 23, 2018, 11:10:55 am »
The following, if accurate, could explain the poor performance of some prospects in low minors that suddenly greatly improve as they move up.

Little's best pitch is his 12-to-6 curveball, a low-80s hammer when he stays on top of it. His fastball is close behind, ranging from 91-96 mph with impressive movement and downhill plane. He rarely used his changeup as an amateur, so Chicago had him focus on it during his introduction to pro ball, which partially explains his 9.21 ERA in his debut.

It would be nice to know how often, and when, management fiddles around with things like pitch selection, batting stance, etc.

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« Reply #4552 on: February 23, 2018, 11:31:05 am »
Zac Short (utility guy who hit only .250 in A-ball)

So Carson Cistulli for Fangraphs does a Fringe 5 for prospects that don't get prospect love but their stats stick for him.  Zack Short is his current obsession and he has a strangely accurate track record for someone who has very little interest in watching baseball.  Cistulli is a weird guy and has an interesting podcast.

Anyway short has a 18%, 14.4% BB% rate, 18%,18.1% K%, and .186 and .151 ISO at A and High A last year.  The big thing for Cistulli is jumped his FB% to 57.5% and 43.4% as well.  It actually started in 2016 at Boise?.  So it seems he joined the fly ball revolution.

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Re: On The Farm
« Reply #4553 on: February 23, 2018, 11:35:10 am »
Plus Ademan (2, lower ceiling than previous cubs MI prospects).


Speaks to the badness of the current Cubs farm position group when Callis has only the following players in the top 30:
Caratini (lacks power and doesn't catch very well), Wilson (nice dancer but can't hit), Velasquez (I'm very interested for sure, but I think hitting for contact will be a huge challenge), Zagunis, Bote (utility prospect who'll be below-average wherever he fields), Zac Short (utility guy who hit only .250 in A-ball), and Galindo. 

I'm a huge optimist, but that's possibly the worst position group on paper I can ever remember during years of following Cubs prospects closely.  (Granted, perhaps I was a huge optimist but also more naively hopeful in some younger days.....) 

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« Reply #4554 on: February 23, 2018, 12:20:43 pm »
Um, dumb me.  Yeah, he could kinda change that perspective, if he can hit.  If you get even one good position player who works out (Ademan), and assuming Caratini is useful as a #2 catcher (#2 catchers get a lot of AB's...), then *IF* several of the pitchers work out, it will be a great success. 

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Re: On The Farm
« Reply #4555 on: February 24, 2018, 09:42:17 pm »
Cubs sign 28-year-old former #2-pick Danny Hultzen as a rehab guy.  I often love the rehab stories.  Would be fun to have a happy thriller comeback
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« Reply #4556 on: February 25, 2018, 07:50:56 am »
Good guy hope he makes it.

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Re: On The Farm
« Reply #4557 on: February 25, 2018, 02:12:25 pm »
He's pitched 10 innings in the last 4 years so hopefully his arm is fresh. If he pitches more than 1 innings in any non AZL stint this year he'll have more success than most multiple shoulder surgery guys.

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Re: On The Farm
« Reply #4558 on: February 26, 2018, 01:50:16 pm »
I'm a huge optimist, of course, but I'm really fired up and curious to see how the pitchers will progress this year. 
*It could be a huge step-up year for the system.  I think pitchers more often make dramatic emergence as prospects.
*It could also be a real diagnosis the Cubs scouting and development program.  Yes, we know the system hasn't been productive for pitchers.... yet.  But I'm a big believer that management has a lot of smart guys, so I'm hopeful that will strongly manifest with the pitchers this year.
*A lot of useful major leaguers aren't aces.  And a lot of $$$ gets spent on pitchers who aren't aces.  (Lackey?)  So I'm very interested in guys who don't have front-of-rotation ability, but who might be good back-of-rotation potential, or relief. 
*May perhaps still be a year away, but I look forward to having some really interesting yo-yo candidates for contingency needs. 
*Promising pitchers have good trade value.  If Cubs can hit on some pitchers in volume, they could have the currency they need for both roster touchups or for biggish-trade equalizers. 
*Good pitchers can come unexpectedly.  Dallas Keuchel wasn't a star draftee or prospect.  Kluber, Hendricks.  Sometimes college draftees can still get faster or find their way.  And guys who don't have great-scouting stuff can still sometimes have the consistency and command to outperform guys with bigger stuff. 
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« Reply #4559 on: February 26, 2018, 03:46:17 pm »
The college draftees:  Of course Little and Lange. 

1.  But I'm really curious to see how Abbott, Thompson, and Uelman look. 
 *Uelman, writeups mention heavy fastball, with 60 grade and some Cub people grading it 70.  Allusions to Derrek Lowe.  Said he threw unexpectedly harder with Cubs after signing.  Supposed to have good control.  Lots of pros improve their repertoire, especially good-command guys.  A 60/70 fastball and good control is a great start, and allows for lots of possibilities for a happy ending. 
*Thompson has rep for excellent control of four pitches.  His scouting is limited by fastball velocity.  Guys often supposedly pitch better second year back; imagine how interesting he might be if he ticked up a couple mph?  If his fastball stuff improved to average, with plus control, to go with a good curve and slider, could turn out really good, especially in low minors.   
*Abbott was a strike-thrower, had a great junior year after supposedly coming up with a really good slider.  Not very fast.  But, if you're spotting a sinking fastball, and mixing in a deadly slider with deception, why couldn't a good control guy do very well? 
*Would be so cool if all three of those guys were really good full-season pitchers, perhaps Abbott or Thompson maybe starting right out at Myrtle and moving fairly quickly.  Not implausible that all three could be very successful, with two of them reaching AA and the other A+.

2.  Little and Lange scout with potentially high-end curves.  A good control pitcher with a killer curve can win a ton of games, so I'm hopeful.  Flip is that the curve is about the hardest pitch in the world to control, so if you've going with a couple of curveballers, you're at risk for some really inconsistent guys, and perhaps a lot of HR's on curveballs that hang. 
*Reports on Little's control seemed pretty negative, and at Eugene he had neither command nor the plus fastball mentioned in all scouting reports.  So I think he's a very high-risk guy.  Still, gotta trust the Cub scouting, and if he comes out with some good K/BB games and some good velocity reports, it could be very exciting. 
*Lange has a questionable fastball, questionable health, and questionable control.  But would be so great if he showed up strong and healthy, if his fastball velocity looked better this year than last, and if he was pretty consistent with his curve and control.
*Will be really, really interesting to see how those five variably high college picks play out.  If Little and Lange were to both look like legit 1st-round talents, that would be huge.

3.  Hatch and Rucker, curious how they will do in season-2?
*I'd assumed Hatch as a control guy from college reports, but his control was pretty inconsistent last year.  If his control can sharpen up some, good sinker and good command mixed with a killer slider could be a tough guy to hit.  Would be super great if he could be a better pitcher even as he promotes up to AA.
*Rucker had good results, but hesitant scouting love.  A limited-stuff guy who rode a groove, but won't be able to reproduce it against higher-level bats?  If he can continue the high-K, high-efficiency success versus AA hitters, I wonder if scouting reports re-evaluate and realize there are sustainable reasons he might stay effective, even in the majors?