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Chris27

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Re: On The Farm
« Reply #525 on: September 16, 2015, 09:20:23 pm »
Myrtle Beach wins the Carolina League title after blowing the lead in the 9th.

Soler: 0-3, BB, K

Caratini: 2-3, 2B, SF, RBI, K

Underwood: 6-5-1-1-0-7

http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2015_09_16_wilafa_myrafa_1&t=g_box&sid=milb

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Re: On The Farm
« Reply #526 on: September 16, 2015, 09:55:18 pm »
Looks like Jorge could use another year in high A.

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Re: On The Farm
« Reply #527 on: September 16, 2015, 11:09:12 pm »
Nice finale for Underwood.  Getting some K's for reb! 

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Re: On The Farm
« Reply #528 on: September 17, 2015, 01:57:55 am »

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Re: On The Farm
« Reply #530 on: September 17, 2015, 07:11:09 pm »
Sorry to have the minor-league season over. 

Might be a fun time to create some top-20 lists, before getting prejudiced by what we see BA ranking in their eventual top-10/30's, or their league rankings. 

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Re: On The Farm
« Reply #531 on: September 17, 2015, 08:24:10 pm »
1) Contreras
2) Torres
3) Almora
4) Edwards
5) McKinney
6) Dylan Cease
7) Duane Underwood
8) Tseng
9) Null
10) Candelaria
11)Pierce Johnson
12) Eloy Jimenez http://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.cgi?id=jimene000elo
13) Vogelbach
14) Alcantara
15) Chesney Young, inf http://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.cgi?id=young-000che
16) Szczur
17) Gioskar Amaya
18) Trevor Clifton, P http://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.cgi?id=clifto000tre
19) Preston Morrison, P (10:1 K:W ratio) http://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.cgi?id=morris000pre
20) Eugenio Palma,  P (Venezualan league) http://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.cgi?id=palma-000eug
21) Jhonny Bethencourt, 2B/OF (Venezualan league)http://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.cgi?id=bethen000jho
22) Junior Marte
23) Jose Paniagua

Iann Happ deliberately left off based on his 2015 performance (yes, it is dismissing a 1st round draft pick very quickly)

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Re: On The Farm
« Reply #532 on: September 18, 2015, 12:21:29 am »
Sorry to have the minor-league season over. 

Might be a fun time to create some top-20 lists, before getting prejudiced by what we see BA ranking in their eventual top-10/30's, or their league rankings. 

1-5: Torres. Contreras, McKinney, Underwood, Johnson
6-10: Edwards, Cease, Candelario, Jimenez, Almora
11-15: Happ, Steele, Zagunis, Tseng, De La Cruz
16-20: Vogelbach, Williams, Hudson, Young, Stinnett
21-25: Blackburn, Hannemann, Torrez, Sands, Caratini
26-30: Black, Clifton, DeWeese, Wilson, Galindo

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Re: On The Farm
« Reply #533 on: September 18, 2015, 01:45:46 am »
Torres, Contreras, Happ, McKinney,Underwood, Cease, Johnson, Jimenez, Almora, Vogelbach.

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Re: On The Farm
« Reply #534 on: September 18, 2015, 08:44:26 am »
Torres, Contreras, McKinney, E. Jimenez, Tseng

Edwards, Cease, Vogelbach, Underwood, Caratini

losing value: Black, DeWeese, Stinnett, Almora, Wilson

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Re: On The Farm
« Reply #535 on: September 18, 2015, 08:36:30 pm »
Would be shocked if Happ wasn't top 5

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Re: On The Farm
« Reply #536 on: September 18, 2015, 08:48:27 pm »
Certainly top 10

Jes Beard

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Re: On The Farm
« Reply #537 on: September 19, 2015, 05:39:38 am »
Would be shocked if Happ wasn't top 5

Certainly top 10

I agree with both of you that he is likely to be there in most of the ratings by the highly regarded rating services.  I also would agree that the team's front office, so close to having made the draft scouting decisions and signing involved, is likely quite reluctant to quickly set aside an opinion which it emotionally, organizationally and financially committed to, but those are their commitments and not mine.

I don't see his performance since signing as supporting inclusion in the top 20, let alone the top 10.

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Re: On The Farm
« Reply #538 on: September 19, 2015, 10:57:04 am »
When assessing prospects in low A, scouting assessments mean much more than performance numbers.  You never know what the hitter may be working on, what coaches are trying to change or fine tune, and how much is just due to being in an uncomfortable situation.

Terrible performance is a strong warning sign.  But his performance has not been terrible.  I would certainly rank him in the 6 - 10 area this year.  And where Cubs management ranks him is quite meaningless.

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Re: On The Farm
« Reply #539 on: September 19, 2015, 02:11:52 pm »
And if Happ does well in 2016, I will be happy to be proven wrong.  At the moment, however, based on his performance, I would not include him in the top 20.  If you defer to his draft position or BA rankings or the like, you really are not actually assessing anyone.  You are simply deferring to someone else's assessment.

I agree with you entirely that a player's statistical performance may not be very meaningful when it can be wildly distorted as a result of organizational instruction causing a prospect to focus on one thin or another which might seriously skew performance.

But I never heard of the Cubs trying to do that with Happ, and nothing in the reports we saw about him indicated the Cubs would do anything like that.  As a result, with Happ, I look at his performance as the best indication of what he was able to do, and while it may not have been terrible, it also was nothing remotely close to impressive.