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craig

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Re: On The Farm
« Reply #705 on: October 09, 2015, 08:56:02 am »
There was also some Cuban thing, I think that had him 13th or 19th or something in the guy's ranking of eligible or expected-to-become-eligible Cubans. 

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« Reply #706 on: October 09, 2015, 09:03:49 am »
Rob Zastryzny tossed four innings of one-hit shutout ball for the Cubs, and...About a dozen scouts were on hand to watch Zastryzny and his newly-minted curve ball that has coaches at instructs talking. The much-improved breaking ball could get Zastryzny on track to be a the pitcher the Cubs hoped he would be when they drafted the 6'3 left-hander out of the University of Missouri in the 2nd round of the 2013 draft.   



Encouraging.  Would be fun if the combination of being healthy and developing an effective breaking ball could make him worth watching again. 

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« Reply #707 on: October 09, 2015, 09:17:33 am »
There was also some Cuban thing, I think that had him 13th or 19th or something in the guy's ranking of eligible or expected-to-become-eligible Cubans. 

I know Badler has a list like that was it his or somebody else.

Now, for the criteria in determing the winner....

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« Reply #708 on: October 09, 2015, 10:07:08 am »
... I'll put him my Cubs top 12 somewhere. 

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No. 12 between Cease & Vogelbach. Report should be up today.


Right after Cease is also what I had. 


Bigger surprise is that he's got Vogelbach at 12; I don't have him in my top-30. 

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« Reply #709 on: October 09, 2015, 11:46:04 am »
There's a major disconnect here. Law thinks Eddy Julio would have been one of the top four in the 2015 draft, yet none of the 30 teams thought he was worth more than $3 million? Ian Happ got $3 million, and a dozen 2015 draftees got $3 million or more.
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« Reply #710 on: October 09, 2015, 12:20:41 pm »
The way McDaniel explains it is pre July 2 he had an offer for $7 million from a team believed to be the Yankees and he had a good chance at getting between $11-12 million. His previous agent wanted a lot more than the $12 million and teams balked and spent their IFA money elsewhere. He switched agents and the price dropped in an effort to get him signed.

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« Reply #711 on: October 09, 2015, 01:59:02 pm »
Difference between $3 and $12 is so much that would be worth it to Martinez to wait until clubs offering the latter could offer it again. So, don't buy he ever that kind of offer in this murky world of int'l baseball. Just doesn't make sense.

Ben Badler/BA has written extensively about Cuban baseball, as Craig notes, about arcane signing rules, etc. So, think Badler is probably best source, with caveat that his most extensive write-up about Martinez was back in June or July and maybe Martinez has improved somewhat with training, conditioning, etc. in these circumstances, a guy his age can get better fast. Martinez' power stats are dismal, FWIW, so there is that. I take Law's report as encouraging, really glad to have Martinez here, and we'll just see what we've got when he plays here.

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« Reply #712 on: October 09, 2015, 02:08:29 pm »
There's a major disconnect here. Law thinks Eddy Julio would have been one of the top four in the 2015 draft, yet none of the 30 teams thought he was worth more than $3 million? Ian Happ got $3 million, and a dozen 2015 draftees got $3 million or more.

Not a total disconnect.  Most of the teams that would be interested are already close to or over their limit.  In the Cub's situation, for instance, he will cost 6 million, which is not very far from what Bryant cost them.

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« Reply #713 on: October 09, 2015, 02:26:10 pm »
Another thing to remember is that he has spanned two signing periods already.  His bigger money offers won't be able to spend big again until July 2, 2017.  It may be case that if he wants the bigger paycheck he's going to be waiting until the next signing period unless the Dodgers get interested.

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« Reply #714 on: October 09, 2015, 02:38:25 pm »
Not a total disconnect.  Most of the teams that would be interested are already close to or over their limit.  In the Cub's situation, for instance, he will cost 6 million, which is not very far from what Bryant cost them.

Bryant was drafted, and could either sign with the Cubs or return for his senior year. Martinez was a free agent. The Cubs spent close to $6 for one season of Motte, Maholm, Feldman and other "bargain bin" free agents. Assuming he needs two years in the minors, the Cubs will control Martinez for eight or nine years. Soler got $30 million. The Cubs weren't the only team in the penalty phase, and some of the others could have gone over if they wanted him badly enough.

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« Reply #715 on: October 09, 2015, 02:42:57 pm »
Another thing is that there is usually a substantial difference between scouting evaluations of the same prospect, and it is probably even wider with players that can only be evaluated at workouts, rather than live games.

And, of course, the reports of what was offered might be inaccurate.

But the biggest thing probably is that the Yankees can not sign him this year because they went over their limit in 2014, and they might have made a desperate attempt to sign him by offering over market price for him.  The agent might have then overestimated the market and mistakenly thought he could get more in the new signing period.

Or, the Cubs might like him a lot more than the competition.

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« Reply #716 on: October 09, 2015, 02:43:43 pm »
Jon Heyman in his notes column today says Martinez deal with Cubs might not be final and that Giants "seem to have some hope" that can still sign Martinez.

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« Reply #717 on: October 09, 2015, 03:24:48 pm »
Bryant was drafted, and could either sign with the Cubs or return for his senior year. Martinez was a free agent. The Cubs spent close to $6 for one season of Motte, Maholm, Feldman and other "bargain bin" free agents. Assuming he needs two years in the minors, the Cubs will control Martinez for eight or nine years. Soler got $30 million. The Cubs weren't the only team in the penalty phase, and some of the others could have gone over if they wanted him badly enough.

I don't anybody is putting him in the Monacada/Soler class. The question is where he falls from there. $3 million isn't much for a Cuban.  The DBacks and Angels signed guys for more money that were less talented than what Martinez is supposed to be.

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« Reply #718 on: October 09, 2015, 04:29:23 pm »
Bryant was drafted, and could either sign with the Cubs or return for his senior year. Martinez was a free agent. The Cubs spent close to $6 for one season of Motte, Maholm, Feldman and other "bargain bin" free agents. Assuming he needs two years in the minors, the Cubs will control Martinez for eight or nine years. Soler got $30 million. The Cubs weren't the only team in the penalty phase, and some of the others could have gone over if they wanted him badly enough.

Sorry.  I think I misunderstood your point.  If you are saying that Martinez is not as good a prospect as Soler or Bryant, I certainly agree with you.  Until he actually plays in the minors, I would probably rank him somewhere near Ian Happ, one side or the other.

Six million isn't giant money in the IFA free agent market, but it did get us both Jimenez and Torres a couple of years ago.
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« Reply #719 on: October 09, 2015, 10:37:18 pm »
Seems like Martinez-to-Cubs NOT a done deal, at least to the Giants pont of view.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/10/evans-giants-still-in-hunt-for-eddy-julio-martinez.html