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craig

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Re: On The Farm
« Reply #765 on: October 19, 2015, 08:57:12 pm »
Good point.  The concept has been to go with volume of pitchers outside of the top round.  Maybe it will succeed.  But sandwiches Blackburn and Johnson haven't done a lot, and very high 2nd rounders Zastryzny and Stinnett, haven't shown anything.  Of the first three high-$$$ internationals, Paniagua, Concepcion, and Rivero, they've looked like washouts, although Tseng has a chance. 

Obviously they haven't put in first round picks on pitchers.  But it's not clear that they've either scouted or developed pitchers especially well.  Derek Johnson may be terrific, and a combination of little injury setbacks and non-1st round picks may have set things back.  But, his program hasn't seemed to produce much fruit yet.  We'll see.
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Ron

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« Reply #766 on: October 19, 2015, 09:02:56 pm »
Derek Johnson joined he Cubs not quite three years ago, so it may be a little early to evaluate his effect on either the drafting or development process for pitchers.  I guess we'll see.
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« Reply #767 on: October 19, 2015, 09:31:51 pm »
For whatever the Cubs strengths and weaknesses are with regards to scouting and development of pitchers, I really hope they keep Bosio around for a LONG time. He can't be given all the credit for the success of Arrieta, Strop, Grimm, Ramirez, Rondon, Cahill, Hammel, Richard, Rodney, etc., but my goodness, look at what he's done with Arrieta, Strop, Grimm, Ramirez, Rondon, Cahill, Hammel, Richard, Rodney, etc.
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Re: On The Farm
« Reply #768 on: October 19, 2015, 10:02:41 pm »
Quote from: craig on October 19, 2015, 08:57:12 pm
Good point.  The concept has been to go with volume of pitchers outside of the top round.  Maybe it will succeed.  But sandwiches Blackburn and Johnson haven't done a lot, and very high 2nd rounders Zastryzny and Stinnett, haven't shown anything.  Of the first three high-$$$ internationals, Paniagua, Concepcion, and Rivero, they've looked like washouts, although Tseng has a chance. 

Obviously they haven't put in first round picks on pitchers.  But it's not clear that they've either scouted or developed pitchers especially well.  Derek Johnson may be terrific, and a combination of little injury setbacks and non-1st round picks may have set things back.  But, his program hasn't seemed to produce much fruit yet.  We'll see.

Concepcion and Rivero were not really high priced by Cuban standards.  Paniagua seems to be a miss, but a lot of high priced IFA bust. 

Players picked in the supplemental first round after Johnson only Eddie Butler (-1.1 rWAR and Travis Jankiwski 0.1 rWAR) have reached the majors.  Alex Wood is the only pitcher in the first 5 rounds drafted after Johnson that has broken 1 rWAR yet.  Point being it is really early to judge them.  Underwood seems to be really interesting.  Drafting pitchers is tough, you have to get the projection on the talent right and health on your side.  Not using first round picks increases the degree of difficulty.

They may very well feel that they can identify MLB scraps that Bosio can fix as a better way to find pitching.  The Pirates do it as well.
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Re: On The Farm
« Reply #769 on: October 19, 2015, 10:39:22 pm »
Quote from: ticohans on October 19, 2015, 09:31:51 pm
For whatever the Cubs strengths and weaknesses are with regards to scouting and development of pitchers, I really hope they keep Bosio around for a LONG time. He can't be given all the credit for the success of Arrieta, Strop, Grimm, Ramirez, Rondon, Cahill, Hammel, Richard, Rodney, etc., but my goodness, look at what he's done with Arrieta, Strop, Grimm, Ramirez, Rondon, Cahill, Hammel, Richard, Rodney, etc.

You can add Maholm and Feldman to that list.
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davep

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Re: On The Farm
« Reply #770 on: October 19, 2015, 10:43:04 pm »
How did the Cubs ERA stack up against the rest of the NL and the rest of the majors?
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« Reply #771 on: October 19, 2015, 10:46:29 pm »
Very easy to look that up yourself.
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Re: On The Farm
« Reply #772 on: October 19, 2015, 10:58:14 pm »
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davep

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Re: On The Farm
« Reply #773 on: October 20, 2015, 07:52:04 am »
Thanks, BlueJay.
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« Reply #774 on: October 20, 2015, 06:06:58 pm »
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Re: On The Farm
« Reply #775 on: October 20, 2015, 06:45:19 pm »
Batted .800 (leading league in hits and doubles) and only co-player of the week.  Tough league.
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Chris27

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Re: On The Farm
« Reply #776 on: October 21, 2015, 12:54:05 am »
Candelario: 2-5, HR, 2 RBI, K

Johnson: 4-3-3-3-2-4

Garner: 2-1-0-0-0-5

http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2015_10_20_msswin_scowin_1&t=g_box&sid=l119
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Re: On The Farm
« Reply #777 on: October 21, 2015, 05:02:25 pm »
Contreras: 3-4, 2 2B, HR, 2 RBI,   2B to RF,  2B to CF,  HR to LF

Zagunis: 1-2, 2 BB, K

http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2015_10_21_msswin_perwin_1&t=g_box&sid=l119
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craig

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Re: On The Farm
« Reply #778 on: October 21, 2015, 06:18:05 pm »
Candelario and Contreras are liking it down there.  I remember a lifetime ago when guys like Robin Jennings, Brooks Kieschnick, and Roosevelt Brown were AFL superstars, back when that league was new.  Oh the memories.  Zagunis is funny; he's played 4 games, got his first hit today.  He's had 2 AB each game, 1 hit total, but has a .533 OBP.  Two walks per game in three of them, one walk in the other.  Fun with small samples. 
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Chris27

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Re: On The Farm
« Reply #779 on: October 21, 2015, 07:05:06 pm »
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— Cubs prospect Willson Contreras had a good day at the plate with a pair of doubles. Contreras doubled off the wall in left-center in the fourth and hit one to the warning track in right field in the seventh. He also hit a game tying two-run homer in the eighth.


http://wboor.mlblogs.com/2015/10/21/afl-mesa-at-peoria-10-21-15/
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