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CUBluejays

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Re: On The Farm
« Reply #1020 on: December 17, 2015, 02:36:36 pm »
Other interesting news.

Cubs got rid of their VSL team and are going with 2 DSL teams.

Chris Valaika and Jeremy Farrell (Red Sox manager's son) will be the Arizona teams hitting coaches. 
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« Reply #1021 on: December 17, 2015, 03:02:47 pm »
I think that the Cubs had a VSL team because they thought it might help them in signing Venezuelian players.  But with the unrest that they have had there at times, they might have just decided that it isn't worth the trouble.
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Re: On The Farm
« Reply #1022 on: December 17, 2015, 05:02:25 pm »
Quote from: davep on December 17, 2015, 03:02:47 pm
I think that the Cubs had a VSL team because they thought it might help them in signing Venezuelian players.  But with the unrest that they have had there at times, they might have just decided that it isn't worth the trouble.

Unless I'm mistaken, this is probably the end of the VSL. There were only four teams there last year, and I doubt anybody would join the league. As for recruiting Venezuelan players, the $300K ceiling on signing bonuses for the next two years has more relevance. Players who sign for $300K or less go where they're told.
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« Reply #1023 on: December 17, 2015, 06:01:43 pm »
McDaniel alluded to a team combining $300,000 offers to multiple players from a buscone that shouldn't get it, so that they could get a million dollar talent.
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Re: On The Farm
« Reply #1024 on: December 26, 2015, 04:06:10 pm »
Some possible moves which could elevate the farm system instantly, and perhaps the major league team fairly soon thereafter.
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« Reply #1025 on: December 26, 2015, 08:13:29 pm »
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Re: On The Farm
« Reply #1026 on: December 29, 2015, 09:25:40 pm »
Cubs ‏@c4u4b6s8
@jimcallisMLB where would you rank the Cubs farm system

Jim Callis ‏@jimcallisMLB 
Without breaking them all down, I'd think the @Cubs would fit in 6-10 range, even after all the graduations.
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« Reply #1027 on: January 06, 2016, 04:22:10 pm »
Cubs Den is doing a top 25 for the system.  Here is the link for 6-10.  At the bottom of the article are links to get the others. 

http://www.chicagonow.com/cubs-den/2016/01/cubs-top-prospects-6-through-10/#image/1
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« Reply #1028 on: January 07, 2016, 10:14:35 am »
Thanks CB.  Those are interesting/fun to read.  Arguella is obviously not a scout.  But being down in Arizona he sees a lot of these guys, including in the instrux etc.  So, when read with filter, there's good stuff and some insights in there.  His observations on frame and personalities, delivery, BP vs game, those are pretty interesting, and presumably he has some cub contacts. 

He's pretty on the DelaCruz bandwagon, projecting him with a 70 fastball.  Fun. 

His list has some surprises; he's got Zastryzny at 20, based on his AFL work; he's still got Vogelbach as high as 23; he's still got Sands at #14. 

Some of the guys I've not gotten much scouting previously.  Has Markey with a choppy delivery, and almost no change up.
Caratini as a strong arm and chance to be average defensively.  (We'll see.  I wonder how he scores in terms of game-calling and framing and stuff like that?)

Enthusiastic writeup on Wilson, "very good bat speed", tremendous range in CF", "ball jumps off his bat", "dynamo", "could hit double digit HR's."  Obviously Arguella comes from the Fleita school of positivity, but it's still fun to get a sense for the qualities that made the Cubs spend serious overslot. 

Gives Jiminez a 70 for projected power.   
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« Reply #1029 on: January 07, 2016, 10:34:55 am »
I wouldn't take his future grading worth a lot at this point, yet.  In addition to his Cubs blog he does an AFL blog and is starting to write with a bunch of the Baseball Prospectus prospects guys that broke off and started their own company.  I think his prospect writing as gotten a lot better over the years and he has learned a lot of stuff.  So use the appropriate filters, but his stuff is worth a read. 

FWIW he was the first person on the Wilson Conteras band wagon when he was a .248/.320/.423 catcher at Kane County.
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Re: On The Farm
« Reply #1030 on: January 07, 2016, 11:14:48 am »
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/evaluating-the-2016-prospects-chicago-cubs/

Fangraphs ratings of the Cubs farm players.  A guy named Dan Farnsworth. 
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« Reply #1031 on: January 07, 2016, 11:26:02 am »
Farnsworth has his own evaluation.  Seems more scout, with lots of impression/opinion/analysis about swing mechanics.  Possibly helpful.  CB, do you know this guy?

He's got some interesting rankings:
*Vogelbach at #6!!!!  He loves Vogelbach's hitting, and still sees him as a serious power hitter.  Said he had no power because he was playing with hamstring and oblique injuries all year. 
*Zagunis at 8. 
*Contreras/Almora at 9,10. Perhaps the most negative on Almora's powerlessness of any scouting report I recall. 
*Williams, Stinnett, and Zastryzny at 11, 13, and 16.  Quite upbeat on Stinnett and Zastryzny. 
*Eloy at 19
*Tseng and Sands in late 20's, doesn't like either one at all.   

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Re: On The Farm
« Reply #1032 on: January 07, 2016, 11:55:45 am »
Those Fangraphs rankings are borderline comedic.
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« Reply #1033 on: January 07, 2016, 12:48:03 pm »
Great to have different perspective on some guys--Vogelbach, Contreras, etc. in Fangraphs piece. In real world, scouts don't always agree on players, so an interesting perspective if someone is bit of an outlier. No problem with that if there's a stated rationale for the rating. Not that useful if the evaluator parroting conventional wisdom.

Theo specifically mentioned Adbert Alzolay after the post-season (with the better known short-season pitchers), so a bit surprised no mention of him among 40 prospects in Fangraphs piece. Probably inadvertent omission.
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« Reply #1034 on: January 07, 2016, 12:57:12 pm »
I know nothing about him.  He's new this year.  He seems to back it up and he has types of players that he likes. 

-Underwood, Cease, De La Cruz as potential #2 type pitchers is interesting.
-Almora- "He possesses above-average raw speed."  Almora as a slow player will stop some day.
-Happ, Vogelbach, McKinney seem high to me.
-Having 10 50 or greater prospects, with another 10 guys that could become 50+ prospects is still a very good system
-He seems to be more of a floor vs ceiling guy.  That might explain Jimenez at 19.
-Arguella mentioned Zastrynzy as a replacement for Wood down the road.  I like that idea a lot.
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